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Mike W
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As promised, here is my exhaustive report on the results of my first 200 B-17 missions.

‘Exhaustive’... who am I kidding? This probably covers 10% of all the things happening during a mission that could be tracked, catalogued, and analyzed... but these are the big ones. Campaign results. Fates of individual planes and crewmen. Results of bomb runs and target distribution. Luftwaffe fighters shot down and Ace gunners.

Some comments on target selection. I used the ‘milk run’ tables G-1 and G-2 for the first 10 missions of each campaign of 25-30 missions, except for campaigns 2 and 3. So that totaled 50 missions selected from tables G1 and G2. Between missions 25 and 175, I did make use of the General V23#5 variant 'The Queen in Germany' which added 22 cities in Germany as additional targets. Before rolling on Table G-3 for target selection, I would roll 1D. A result of 1-5 stuck to table G-3, and a 6 would send me to the variant targets. In all, 20 of the 200 missions headed deep into Germany. One of those trips targeted Berlin in Zone 10 (!) but I had to abort Zone 6 Out due to a serious wound to the Bombardier. The remaining 130 missions came from G-3.

Campaign Results
Numbers of Bombers = 34
8AAF Victories = 92
Luftwaffe Victories = 33
Draws = 75
Bomb Runs On-Target = 102
Bomb Runs Off-Target = 98 (includes 29 No Drops due to aborts, shot down, etc)
Average Bomb Run = 17.7% (includes 3 runs over 90%)

Target Distribution
Rotterdam, 16 missions, 1 B-17 lost
Cherbourg, 15 missions, 1 B-17 lost
Meaulte, 13 missions, none lost
Paris, 11 missions, 4 B-17s lost
Abbeville, 10 missions, 2 B-17s lost
Brest, 9 missions, 1 B-17 lost
Lille, 9 missions, none lost
Rennes, 9 missions, 1 B-17 lost
Vegesack, 9 missions, 2 B-17s lost
Antwerp, 8 missions, none lost
LaRochelle, 8 missions, 2 B-17s lost
Lorient, 8 missions, none lost
RomillySS, 7 missions, 2 B-17s lost
St.Nazaire, 7 missions, 2 B-17s lost
St.Omer, 7 missions, none lost (I would hope so!)
Emden, 6 missions, 3 B-17s lost
Wilhemshaven, 6 missions, 2 B-17s lost
Amiens, 5 missions, none lost
Bremen, 5 missions, 2 B-17s lost
Rouen, 5 missions, none lost
Hamm, 4 missions, 3 B-17s lost (75%!)
Kiel, 3 missions, none lost
‘Queen in Germany’ targets, 20 missions, 5 B-17s lost (higher losses than base targets, 25% vs 16%)

Fate of Bombers (Total = 34, Completed Tour = 1, Lost = 33)
Completed 25 Missions = only 1 (see story below)
Fuel Tank Fire, 13 planes
Pilot and CoPilot KIA/SW, 5 planes
Fuel Tank Leak, 4 planes
BIP, 3 planes (Port Wing...very first mission over Abbeville, Starboard Wing, Tail)
Bomb Detonation, 3 planes
Fuel Tank Explosion, 2 planes
Engine Fire, 1 plane
Negative Landing Modifiers, 1 plane
Electrical System / Fuel Tank Fire, 1 plane

Only 17.6% of planes flew more than 10 missions, while 26.5% of planes did not survive their first mission.



My only plane to make it through 25 missions was ‘Easter Lily’. Relatively quiet tour actually. Even got a Rabbits Foot on Mission 5 that was never used. Only real danger was Mission 16 over Emden. #2 Engine was lost and not feathered Zone 7 Out so she lost speed down to 2 turns per zone on the long way home and OOF. Bomb run 0%. Gunners were strong though and downed 5 Me109s, 4 Me110s, and 1 FW190. Of those, the Bombardier had 4 and Tail Gunner had 3. Over her tour Easter Lily lost 16 men, with only the Pilot, Ball Gunner and Tail Gunner making it home with 25 missions. 5 Ace gunners road her - the Ball Gunner, the Tail Gunner, a Bombardier, and two Engineers.

Crew Stats
Total Crew Members = 378
Completed 25 Missions = 4 (one additional crew member was captured on mission 25)
KIA = 180
Lost at Sea = 9
Died of Serious Wound = 6
Grounded after Serious Wound = 53
Captured = 119
Still Active = 7
Light Wounds Suffered = 132
Serious Wound Rapid Recoveries = 8

Number of Crew Members by Positions:
Bombardiers = 37
Navigators = 43
Pilots = 35
Co-Pilots = 45
Engineers = 40
Radio Operators = 33
Ball Gunners = 26 (looks like the place to be...historically accurate?)
Port Waist Gunners = 41
Starboard Waist Gunners = 42
Tail Gunners = 36

Average Missions per Crew Member = 5.3

Crew Survival (not including crewmen still active):
Only 1 Mission flown = 26.6%
2-5 Missions flown = 38.2%
6-10 Missions flown = 19.9%
11-24 Missions flown = 14.2%
Survived 25 Missions = 1.1%



Luftwaffe Fighters Downed
Total = 527 (Me109 = 281, Me110 = 105, FW190 = 141)
By Gunner Position:
Bombardiers = 59 (3 Aces)
Navigators = 30 (0 Aces)
Engineers = 141 (7 Aces)
Radio Operators = 16 (0 Aces)
Ball Gunners = 82 (5 Aces)
Port Waist Gunners = 20 (0 Aces)
Starboard Waist Gunners = 23 (0 Aces)
Tail Gunners = 155 (8 Aces)

Ace Gunners (23)
Tail Gunner #16 = 25 kills in 18 missions
Tail Gunner #22 = 21 kills in 25 missions
Engineer #26 = 20 kills in 17 missions
Engineer #31 = 18 kills in 15 missions
Engineer #19 = 17 kills in 11 missions
Tail Gunner #4 = 17 kills in 11 missions
Ball Gunner #20 = 13 kills in 22 missions
Engineer #23 = 12 kills in 13 missions
Engineer #36 = 12 kills in 25 missions
Tail Gunner #36 = 11 kills in 4 missions (still active)
Tail Gunner #32 = 11 kills in 20 missions
Ball Gunner #2 = 11 kills in 25 missions
Ball Gunner #17 = 9 kills in 25 missions
Ball Gunner #24 = 9 kills in 20 missions
Tail Gunner #7 = 9 kills in 10 missions
Tail Gunner #17 = 8 kills in 10 missions
Bombardier #26 = 7 kills in 7 missions
Bombardier #34 = 6 kills in 6 missions
Bombardier #35 = 5 kills in 12 missions
Engineer #25 = 5 kills in 5 missions
Engineer #27 = 5 Kills in 6 missions
Ball Gunner #16 = 5 kills in 7 missions
Tail Gunner #10 = 5 kills in 4 missions

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I’m on my way to 300 missions. I’ll post that update when I get there.

PS - I wanted to get this session report submitted to BGG today. I will actually be on a plane targeting Paris tonight, heading for a semiconductor factory south of the city. But instead of bombs, I will be bringing technical solutions to help a customer and try to win some business. We are fortunate to be living in a time of (mostly) peace and prosperity. Wars are best fought with cardboard pieces.

(edit - added in number of No Drops to off-target bomb runs)
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WOW! thanks for sharing your amazing statistics, i always enjoy reading the achievements of other players. Looking forward for your 300! and your 1000!!!
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An amazing analysis!

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Thanks for the report. Makes me want to dust-off my copy and fly a few missions myself.
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527 fighters shot down vs. 33 bombers lost. Ratio of 0.062!
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I've only got one thing to say:

GET A LIFE!!!



Honestly, amazing job! I'm not even past 50 missions!!!
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But what I do have are a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you… And I will beat you.
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jumbit wrote:
527 fighters shot down vs. 33 bombers lost. Ratio of 0.062!


The commanders of the Mighty Eighth would be proud!! This is what they were aiming for, (no pun intended) knocking down as many Luftwaffe fighters that the bombers & little friends could.

Mike W,
Great summery of your missions you've put together! I enjoyed seeing the trends that were generated and how deadly some targets are.

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Impressive. How long have you been playing to gain such mission time?

Thanks for sharing the data by the way.thumbsup
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Very interesting. Thanks.
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TY for the stats as I found them fascinating for someone who's only finished 50 odd missions.Off the top of my head I'm on my 4th plane, my bombing accuracy is well below yours,everything else pct wise seems in line to yours.Anyone else without punching numbers have a feel for their missions against these? Yes my latest crew will be flying a few missions in the next week.I actually brought this game back to the table last weekend + flew a few missions.
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I too have flown over 1,000 missions but did not (nor want to) try and recap them all. I have all the respect for anyone who can actually get a crew member to the magic 25 missions let alone the plane. The closest I have come is 24 personal missions and 17 for the aircraft itself.

Perhaps that is why I still continue to try knowing my next wing hit roll is going to be a "10".... (At least with Jasta 6's modifications, I have a slight chance of putting it out)
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Perhaps that is why I still continue to try knowing my next wing hit roll is going to be a "10"....


At 500 missions I have had only one plane, "Little Miss-U II", and 5 crewmen, from said plane, that made the magic number 25. I have had a few make it to 20 and two planes made it to 20.

As with aerogoose I dread the Wing #10 or #9. Don't know which is worst. Burning up in one zone or loose two engines and having to drag out the pain as you fly two turns per zone for 6-8 zones just to be shot down in zone 2 I/B.... (for two hours real time too.)

Do you sense a hint of bitterness? Na!

Good luck on your next 100 missions. Look forward to the summery at 300!

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Hi Everybody,

Thanks a lot for all the comments. I will mention that these 200 missions (as well as the next 75) were all flown a good 20-25 years ago, when life was slower and had fewer responsibilities. Back then I liked to keep some level of play-by-play of games that I played, I think inspired by the old AH General Series Replay articles. And I tracked all those stats using the original version of the spreadsheet... pencil and paper. But I did eventually run out of patience with it, since I stopped tabulating results after mission 200. As time allows, I will try to get those numbers pulled together for the 300 mission update since I think it will be of interest to all the B-17 pilots here.

Combining the results of Aerogoose and Jasta6, they have flown 1500 missions with only 1 plane and 5 crewman making it to 25 completed missions. So I was actually a little ahead of them for success while thinking my results were pretty poor. It sure is a tough game system to go against. I will add that I managed to get another plane through 25 missions somewhere between 201-275, whose story I will detail in the update for 300 missions. Throwing out a spoiler now... rabbit's feet were involved with that one.

On the 527 Luftwaffe fighters, I would say this is the main complaint on the game from a historical perspective. A little too much action going on. I do not have historical stats on how many fighters the average B-17 shot down, but I am sure it is much less than 15. The rulebook has a mention of the leading 8AAF ace was a Tail Gunner with 12 kills. My top ace doubled that. Looking at the combat system, an ace Top or Ball Turret Gunner firing at an Me109 at 3:00/9:00 has a full 25% chance of a kill. An ace Tail Gunner kills an Me109 at 6:00 33% of the time. And there are lots of opportunities to shoot when waves arrive and return.

I do hope some more people can share some of their playing results to compare to mine. Even something as simple as flying X planes in Y missions would be interesting to see.
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Interesting stats, thanks for sharing. I have recently pulled B-17 off the shelf after a long time and am enjoying playing this great game again. I may have to start my own 100 mission campaign. One question for you Mike. Have you been using the single mission sheets that came in the box or one the new ones here on BGG. Thanks.
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I have been using the single-mission sheets from the original game. I must have reordered the pad of sheets a couple times direct from AH back in the day. Still have a few more, but I'm almost out.
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