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Andreas Krüger
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Essen 2011:
- No new BattleLore stuff
- Cheap Dragons and Heroes expansions for sale
- Earth Elemental given away for free

This is a bad sign for those hoping for a reprint or more expansions.

Edit: OTOH, BL has been continued recently with the knights expansion and repurposed sets are available.
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Re: I'm afraid it's dead now....
Without official word that it is "dead" I am not ready to deliver the eulogy.

Also not appreciative of the misleading title and calling it "news" since you offer no facts of its demise. From what I understand, FFG doesn't even go to Essen so what exactly did you expect a non-participant to show?
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Re: Bad signs at Essen
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Without official word that it is "dead" I am not ready to deliver the eulogy.

Also not appreciative of the misleading title and calling it "news" since you offer no facts of its demise. From what I understand, FFG doesn't even go to Essen so what exactly did you expect a non-participant to show?


FFG has a German distributor (this is where I picked up the cheap Dragons), but you are right, this is just my impression. I changed the thread title. I cannot move it from the news section, though.
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Re: Bad signs at Essen
Surely Westeros signalled the imminent death of Battlelore ages ago?

The overpricing of Heroes and Dragons was the coup de grace.
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Re: Bad signs at Essen
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Surely Westeros signalled the imminent death of Battlelore ages ago?

I am not ready to call it. Take that for what it's worth.

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The overpricing of Heroes and Dragons was the coup de grace.

I don't think they were overpriced as I have mentioned before. The Dragons/Creatures actually cost me less per piece than the "free" promos I got from DOW. A lot has happened to the market in the years since DOW published an expansion.
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Re: Bad signs at Essen
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philmcd wrote:
Surely Westeros signalled the imminent death of Battlelore ages ago?

I am not ready to call it. Take that for what it's worth.

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The overpricing of Heroes and Dragons was the coup de grace.

I don't think they were overpriced as I have mentioned before. The Dragons/Creatures actually cost me less per piece than the "free" promos I got from DOW. A lot has happened to the market in the years since DOW published an expansion.


Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

I've been trading my dwarf and goblin expansions (regretted buying them in the first place).

But I shall never get rid of the base set, Call to Arms and Hundred Years War plus the Epic board. That makes an endlessly replayable game system that needs no further expansion IMHO. The only thing that would have tempted me back would have been a Siege expansion.
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Westeros surely means that they will not pass the license on to someone else. Whether or not a pile of Dragons boxes for cheap sale right next to the Wings of War boxes bears any significance - we will see.
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Re: Bad signs at Essen
I still hope you're right Brian. But I also don't ever see FFG announcing that its 'dead' - even if it was.

I just hope that they solve the base game issue and get some new races out there and keep the game expanding.

BoW has also gone on the quiet though too - their new expansion hasn't released yet and no new news after a couple of previews earlier in the year. Its like they've forgotten about Battlelore and BoW for the time being.

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My sneaky guess (you know the guess that is such a long shot, but when it actually happens you look insightful) is that they will not reprint the Battlelore base game. They will instead make BoW the base game - possibly releasing a similar fantasy core set to BoW - and provide conversion packs for the existing Battlelore stuff to BoW. My thinking behind this is that they originally said that BoW was going to stay firmly medieval (no fantasy). However their upcoming expansion has magical stuff in it. This contradicts what they originally stated, so perhaps it will become a 'system' which you can plug and play different races etc...
So, not at all likely how it will go, but who knows - its not like any of us has any idea of what the heck FFG is actually doing with it anyway.


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No, I think BL ans BoW will remain two distinct games. They really aren't compatible. I don't think they have "forgotten" either. They just have other projects which are demanding time right now.
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Re: Bad signs at Essen
Thamos von Nostria wrote:
Essen 2011:
... - Earth Elemental given away for free

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How could I have missed that?! Nooooooooo...! soblue
 
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My theory is that fans want the game to die, so that they don't have to feel obligated to continually buy more BattleLore expansions. Seriously, look at how many expansions have come out despite the base game being out of print. Does that logically sound dead? We just got the knights expansion a few quarters ago. Enjoy it.
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Re: Bad signs at Essen
So, instead of spreading rumors irresponsibly blush let me sum up:

- The BL fans are anxiously waiting for any sign of new stuff.

- The existing expansions are more or less popular. Some units are just less useful than others (old Goblins expansions), some seem to offer a bad price to stuff ratio.

Many fans have asked for a real campaign system. A simple suggestion is this one:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/660364/a-simple-campaign...

This makes you use the less powerful specialists, too, and thus might enhance sales of further expansions. I mean, why should I buy more specialist expansions if everything I ever pick will be two knights units for each side? (Exaggerating here a bit, of course).

Regarding the price tag, everything depends of number of prints and how the molds are used. I would not mind if a Battlelore dragon appeared in another game as well. On the other hand, owners of games which share miniatures would probably be seriously annoyed - this kind of game is bought by people who pay attention to detail. So, we love unique figures, but at some point the price will be what influences the decision to buy or not.

I will edit my first post once more to reflect the state of discussion.
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tocoking wrote:
Thamos von Nostria wrote:
Essen 2011:
... - Earth Elemental given away for free

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How could I have missed that?! Nooooooooo...! soblue


They appeared quite late on Sunday. Sorry for you, I am happy I finally got one.
 
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For me the game is pretty much complete.
All I wish for is an expansion with more Lore Cards. I am surprised they have not made a print on demand expansion yet.
Not that I wouldn't mind adding new races to the game. I just don't feel it needs it...

As far as whether the game is actually dead, I am not sure what to think - Tannhauser had a very long break with no news at all. Now they are spitting out expansions!

As far as whether the BoW game was a sign of BattleLore being cancelled, I would bet FFG could have whipped up a set of rules without the license. There are already several companies publishing/planning games based on the Commands & Colors system, so I very much doubt FFG felt it necessary to purchase the BL franchise to publish BoW.
Also, with BL already having a medieval variant, I think brand recognition could even have hurt BoW. But that is purely speculation on my part...
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Just to clarify - the spoiler in my last post is NOT something I would want. It was rampant speculation as we have nothing to go on.

As for POD stuff for Battlelore - their POD stuff is ok, but not suitable for mixing cards. There is just too big a difference. I don't think they could POD anything for Battlelore besides reference cards. You cannot mix them in with regular cards. (case in point Space Hulk - new cards are duller than the original, LOTR Massing of Osgiliath - the new cards have significantly darker backs the contrast on the fronts is higher. They are also about 1mm less wide than the original cards).

A C&C game complete with only three races? I don't think so. I can see it as being a good point for people to feel they have enough, but with so much more potential, its not complete in my eyes. More races (released as full army packs with heroes for each race - gets it all out faster and more completely. Buying three small reinforcement packs is NOT the way to go.) Then release a small expansion that has heroes for the Dwarfs and Goblins (as humans already have figures) along with extra lore masters and lore master cards. This could also include the campaign rules in it to make it a more substantial expansion.

Tannhauser is a good example where a game that looks dead suddenly bursts to life again. Here's hoping the same happens with Battlelore.
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I don't think it's dead yet, at least not without hearing an official announcement from FFG. This lull right now may due to the fact that the group of products they released from late 2009 until early this year were all projects that were already being worked on, or on the drawing board, from back when Days of Wonder owned the title, and they now are trying to figure out how to proceed further with the game.

Still, the future of the game doesn't seem particularly promising either. It's really sad about them not being able to reprint the base game due to costs as it has really hamstrung them on expanding the player base, and in turn fueling the market for more expansions.
 
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I always wonder why a game is considered DEAD once new expansions dry up?

IMHO, the base set and CtA give an unusually replayable game that is as complete as any game could wish to be.

This game will never be dead as far as I'm concerned.
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Me too (i.e. never "dead"). It's a great game, the growth and development of which has been stunted by many circumstances.

I assume when people use "dead" for BattleLore, they mean "no further development" and/or "disappointed because my expectations of more fantasy races is unmet."
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I agree with you Phil however I can't deny wanting more for BattleLore if it were ever to come about.

I could live with owning all that I do for BL and be happy with it. If there were to be more lore cards I'd love that and a few more races would be fun as well.

The 'dead' part for me is when a company won't put out FAQ's or rule clarifications which has seemed to the case with BL and FFG. They did do an 'Updated Creature Rules' edition so I give them credit for that but there are other things that seem to left by the wayside.

Maybe I'm just impatient and something like this is in the works? cry
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