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A recent thread on whether wargames are "historical" (as in do they simulate history/convey a decent sense of history) spurred this poll:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/730895/games-that-preten...

Following is about 175 wargames. Please rate on this basis (5=strongly agree, 1=strongly disagree).

Historical Flavor: Feels like the conflict you've read about

Historical Depth: Has significant amount of key dynamics shaping conflict

Historical Simulation: Seems to produce historical plausible outcomes most of the time

Of course, I'd recommend only rating games you have actually played. Otherwise, what's the point?
1. Historical Flavor: Feels like the conflict you've read about
  5: Strongly Agree 4: Somewhat Agree 3: Neutral 2: Somewhat Disagree 1: Strongly Disagree
1776 (1974)
1805: Sea of Glory (2009)
1914: Twilight in the East (2007)
1936: Guerra Civil (2006)
2nd Fleet (1986)
A Few Acres of Snow (2011)
A House Divided (1981)
A Most Dangerous Time: Japan in Chaos, 1570-1584 (2009)
A Victory Lost (2006)
Advanced Squad Leader (1985)
Advanced Squad Leader: Starter Kits (the series)
Advanced Tobruk (2002)
Afrika (second edition) (2006)
Afrika Korps (1964)
Age of Napoleon (2003)
Ambush! (1983)
Angola (1988)
Anzio (1974)
Ardennes '44 (2003)
Asia Engulfed (2007)
Axis & Allies (the whole thing)
B-17: Queen of the Skies (1981)
Baltic Gap (2009)
Battle Cry (2000)
Bitter Woods (fourth edition) (2003)
Bonaparte at Marengo (2005)
Breakout: Normandy (1992)
Britannia (1986)
Burma (1999)
Caesar at Alesia (1976)
Campaign for North Africa (1979)
Carthage: The First Punic War (2005)
Case Blue (2007)
Clash of Giants II (2006)
Clash of Monarchs (2008)
Close Action (1997)
Combat Commander (the series)
Commands & Colors: Ancients (2006)
Commands & Colors: Napoleonics (2010)
Conflict of Heroes: (the series)
Crusader Rex (2005)
D-Day (1977)
D-Day at Omaha Beach (2009)
DAK2 (2004)
Downtown: Air War Over Hanoi, 1965-1972 (2004)
EastFront (1991)
Empire of the Sun (2005)
Empires in Arms (1983)
Empires of the Middle Ages (1980)
España 1936 (2007)
Europa Universalis (1993)
Europe Engulfed (2003)
FAB: The Bulge (2008)
Fields of Fire (2008)
Fighting Formations: (2011)
Fire in the East (1984)
Fire in the Sky: The Great Pacific War 1941-1945 (2005)
Flat Top (1977)
For the People (1998)
Friedrich (2004)
Grant Takes Command (2001)
Guderian's Blitzkrieg II (2001)
Halls of Montezuma (2009)
Hammer of the Scots (2002)
Hannibal: Rome vs. Carthage (1996)
Hearts and Minds: Vietnam 1965-1975 (2010)
Hell's Highway (1983)
Hellenes: Campaigns of the Peloponnesian War (2009)
Here Come the Rebels (1993)
Here I Stand (2006)
History of the World (1991)
Hold the Line (2008)
Hornet Leader: Carrier Air Operations (2010)
Julius Caesar (2010)
Kingmaker (1974)
Korea: The Forgotten War (2003)
La Bataille D'Auerstaedt (1977)
La Bataille de la Moscowa (2010)
La Bataille des Quatre Bras (1991)
Labyrinth (2010)
Liberty Roads (2009)
Liberty: The American Revolution 1775-83 (2003)
Lock 'n Load: Band of Heroes (2005)
Manoeuvre (2008)
Maria (2009)
Memoir '44 (2004)
Napoleon: The Waterloo Campaign, 1815 (1974)
Napoleon's Last Battles (1976)
Napoleon's Triumph (2007)
Nero (2002)
No Peace without Spain (2010)
No Retreat! The Russian Front (2011)
Normandy '44 (2010)
Pacific Victory (2000)
Pacific War (1985)
Panzer Grenadier: (the series)
Panzerblitz & Panzerleader
Panzergruppe Guderian (1976)
Paths of Glory (1999)
Pax Romana (2006)
Persian Gulf: Battle for the Middle East (1986)
Phantom Leader (2010)
Price of Freedom (2008)
Pursuit of Glory (2008)
Quebec 1759 (1972)
RAF (1986)
RAF: The Battle of Britain 1940 (2009)
Raid on St. Nazaire (1987)
Reds! The Russian Civil War 1918-1921 (2001)
Republic of Rome (1990)
Richard III: The Wars of the Roses (2009)
Rise and Decline of the Third Reich (1974)
Roads to Gettysburg (1993)
Rommel in the Desert (1982)
Russian Civil War (1976)
Russian Front (1985)
Saratoga (1998)
Sekigahara: Unification of Japan (2011)
Shifting Sands (2006)
Silent War (2005)
SPQR (1992)
SPQR (Deluxe Edition) (2008)
Squad Leader (1977)
Stalin's War (2010)
Stalingrad (1963)
Stalingrad Pocket (2nd Edition) (1996)
Stonewall Jackson's Way (1992)
Streets of Stalingrad (third edition) (2003)
Successors (3rd Edition) (2008)
Sword of Rome (2004)
Terrible Swift Sword: The Battle of Gettysburg (1976)
The Battle for Normandy (2009)
The Battle of the Bulge (1965)
The Burning Blue (2006)
The Civil War (1983)
The Devil's Cauldron: (2008)
The Great Battles of Alexander: Deluxe Edition (1995)
The Great War in Europe: Delux (2007)
The Guns of August (1981)
The Hell of Stalingrad (2009)
The Korean War (1986)
The Longest Day (1979)
The Mighty Endeavor (2005)
The Napoleonic Wars (2002)
The Napoleonic Wars (2nd Edition) (2008)
The Russian Campaign (1976)
The Siege of Jerusalem (1989)
The Spanish Civil War 1936-1939 (2010)
The Third World War (1984)
The Thirty Years War (2001)
Thunder at the Crossroads (second edition) (1993)
Tide of Iron (2007)
Totaler Krieg! (1999)
Trial of Strength (1985)
Triumph of Chaos (2005)
Tunisia (1995)
Turning Point: Stalingrad (1989)
Twilight Struggle (2005)
Under the Lily Banners (2005)
Unhappy King Charles (2008)
Up Front (1983)
Victory in the Pacific (1977)
Vietnam 1965-1975 (1984)
War in Europe (1976)
War in the Pacific (1978)
War of 1812 (1973)
War of the Ring (2004)
Warriors of God (2008)
Washington's War (2010)
We the People (1994)
Wellington (2005)
WestFront II (2006)
Where There Is Discord: War in the South Atlantic (2009)
Whistling Death (2003)
Wilderness War (2001)
Wooden Ships & Iron Men (1975)
World at War: Eisenbach Gap (2007)
World in Flames (1985)
World War II: Barbarossa to Berlin (2002)
2. Historical Depth: Has significant amount of key dynamics shaping conflict
  5: Strongly Agree 4: Somewhat Agree 3: Neutral 2: Somewhat Disagree 1: Strongly Disagree
1776 (1974)
1805: Sea of Glory (2009)
1914: Twilight in the East (2007)
1936: Guerra Civil (2006)
2nd Fleet (1986)
A Few Acres of Snow (2011)
A House Divided (1981)
A Most Dangerous Time: Japan in Chaos, 1570-1584 (2009)
A Victory Lost (2006)
Advanced Squad Leader (1985)
Advanced Squad Leader: Starter Kits (the series)
Advanced Tobruk (2002)
Afrika (second edition) (2006)
Afrika Korps (1964)
Age of Napoleon (2003)
Ambush! (1983)
Angola (1988)
Anzio (1974)
Ardennes '44 (2003)
Asia Engulfed (2007)
Axis & Allies (the whole thing)
B-17: Queen of the Skies (1981)
Baltic Gap (2009)
Battle Cry (2000)
Bitter Woods (fourth edition) (2003)
Bonaparte at Marengo (2005)
Breakout: Normandy (1992)
Britannia (1986)
Burma (1999)
Caesar at Alesia (1976)
Campaign for North Africa (1979)
Carthage: The First Punic War (2005)
Case Blue (2007)
Clash of Giants II (2006)
Clash of Monarchs (2008)
Close Action (1997)
Combat Commander (the series)
Commands & Colors: Ancients (2006)
Commands & Colors: Napoleonics (2010)
Conflict of Heroes: (the series)
Crusader Rex (2005)
D-Day (1977)
D-Day at Omaha Beach (2009)
DAK2 (2004)
Downtown: Air War Over Hanoi, 1965-1972 (2004)
EastFront (1991)
Empire of the Sun (2005)
Empires in Arms (1983)
Empires of the Middle Ages (1980)
España 1936 (2007)
Europa Universalis (1993)
Europe Engulfed (2003)
FAB: The Bulge (2008)
Fields of Fire (2008)
Fighting Formations: (2011)
Fire in the East (1984)
Fire in the Sky: The Great Pacific War 1941-1945 (2005)
Flat Top (1977)
For the People (1998)
Friedrich (2004)
Grant Takes Command (2001)
Guderian's Blitzkrieg II (2001)
Halls of Montezuma (2009)
Hammer of the Scots (2002)
Hannibal: Rome vs. Carthage (1996)
Hearts and Minds: Vietnam 1965-1975 (2010)
Hell's Highway (1983)
Hellenes: Campaigns of the Peloponnesian War (2009)
Here Come the Rebels (1993)
Here I Stand (2006)
History of the World (1991)
Hold the Line (2008)
Hornet Leader: Carrier Air Operations (2010)
Julius Caesar (2010)
Kingmaker (1974)
Korea: The Forgotten War (2003)
La Bataille D'Auerstaedt (1977)
La Bataille de la Moscowa (2010)
La Bataille des Quatre Bras (1991)
Labyrinth (2010)
Liberty Roads (2009)
Liberty: The American Revolution 1775-83 (2003)
Lock 'n Load: Band of Heroes (2005)
Manoeuvre (2008)
Maria (2009)
Memoir '44 (2004)
Napoleon: The Waterloo Campaign, 1815 (1974)
Napoleon's Last Battles (1976)
Napoleon's Triumph (2007)
Nero (2002)
No Peace without Spain (2010)
No Retreat! The Russian Front (2011)
Normandy '44 (2010)
Pacific Victory (2000)
Pacific War (1985)
Panzer Grenadier: (the series)
Panzerblitz & Panzerleader
Panzergruppe Guderian (1976)
Paths of Glory (1999)
Pax Romana (2006)
Persian Gulf: Battle for the Middle East (1986)
Phantom Leader (2010)
Price of Freedom (2008)
Pursuit of Glory (2008)
Quebec 1759 (1972)
RAF (1986)
RAF: The Battle of Britain 1940 (2009)
Raid on St. Nazaire (1987)
Reds! The Russian Civil War 1918-1921 (2001)
Republic of Rome (1990)
Richard III: The Wars of the Roses (2009)
Rise and Decline of the Third Reich (1974)
Roads to Gettysburg (1993)
Rommel in the Desert (1982)
Russian Civil War (1976)
Russian Front (1985)
Saratoga (1998)
Sekigahara: Unification of Japan (2011)
Shifting Sands (2006)
Silent War (2005)
SPQR (1992)
SPQR (Deluxe Edition) (2008)
Squad Leader (1977)
Stalin's War (2010)
Stalingrad (1963)
Stalingrad Pocket (2nd Edition) (1996)
Stonewall Jackson's Way (1992)
Streets of Stalingrad (third edition) (2003)
Successors (3rd Edition) (2008)
Sword of Rome (2004)
Terrible Swift Sword: The Battle of Gettysburg (1976)
The Battle for Normandy (2009)
The Battle of the Bulge (1965)
The Burning Blue (2006)
The Civil War (1983)
The Devil's Cauldron: (2008)
The Great Battles of Alexander: Deluxe Edition (1995)
The Great War in Europe: Delux (2007)
The Guns of August (1981)
The Hell of Stalingrad (2009)
The Korean War (1986)
The Longest Day (1979)
The Mighty Endeavor (2005)
The Napoleonic Wars (2002)
The Napoleonic Wars (2nd Edition) (2008)
The Russian Campaign (1976)
The Siege of Jerusalem (1989)
The Spanish Civil War 1936-1939 (2010)
The Third World War (1984)
The Thirty Years War (2001)
Thunder at the Crossroads (second edition) (1993)
Tide of Iron (2007)
Totaler Krieg! (1999)
Trial of Strength (1985)
Triumph of Chaos (2005)
Tunisia (1995)
Turning Point: Stalingrad (1989)
Twilight Struggle (2005)
Under the Lily Banners (2005)
Unhappy King Charles (2008)
Up Front (1983)
Victory in the Pacific (1977)
Vietnam 1965-1975 (1984)
War in Europe (1976)
War in the Pacific (1978)
War of 1812 (1973)
War of the Ring (2004)
Warriors of God (2008)
Washington's War (2010)
We the People (1994)
Wellington (2005)
WestFront II (2006)
Where There Is Discord: War in the South Atlantic (2009)
Whistling Death (2003)
Wilderness War (2001)
Wooden Ships & Iron Men (1975)
World at War: Eisenbach Gap (2007)
World in Flames (1985)
World War II: Barbarossa to Berlin (2002)
3. Historical Simulation: Seems to produce historical plausible outcomes most of the time
  5: Strongly Agree 4: Somewhat Agree 3: Neutral 2: Somewhat Disagree 1: Strongly Disagree
1776 (1974)
1805: Sea of Glory (2009)
1914: Twilight in the East (2007)
1936: Guerra Civil (2006)
2nd Fleet (1986)
A Few Acres of Snow (2011)
A House Divided (1981)
A Most Dangerous Time: Japan in Chaos, 1570-1584 (2009)
A Victory Lost (2006)
Advanced Squad Leader (1985)
Advanced Squad Leader: Starter Kits (the series)
Advanced Tobruk (2002)
Afrika (second edition) (2006)
Afrika Korps (1964)
Age of Napoleon (2003)
Ambush! (1983)
Angola (1988)
Anzio (1974)
Ardennes '44 (2003)
Asia Engulfed (2007)
Axis & Allies (the whole thing)
B-17: Queen of the Skies (1981)
Baltic Gap (2009)
Battle Cry (2000)
Bitter Woods (fourth edition) (2003)
Bonaparte at Marengo (2005)
Breakout: Normandy (1992)
Britannia (1986)
Burma (1999)
Caesar at Alesia (1976)
Campaign for North Africa (1979)
Carthage: The First Punic War (2005)
Case Blue (2007)
Clash of Giants II (2006)
Clash of Monarchs (2008)
Close Action (1997)
Combat Commander (the series)
Commands & Colors: Ancients (2006)
Commands & Colors: Napoleonics (2010)
Conflict of Heroes: (the series)
Crusader Rex (2005)
D-Day (1977)
D-Day at Omaha Beach (2009)
DAK2 (2004)
Downtown: Air War Over Hanoi, 1965-1972 (2004)
EastFront (1991)
Empire of the Sun (2005)
Empires in Arms (1983)
Empires of the Middle Ages (1980)
España 1936 (2007)
Europa Universalis (1993)
Europe Engulfed (2003)
FAB: The Bulge (2008)
Fields of Fire (2008)
Fighting Formations: (2011)
Fire in the East (1984)
Fire in the Sky: The Great Pacific War 1941-1945 (2005)
Flat Top (1977)
For the People (1998)
Friedrich (2004)
Grant Takes Command (2001)
Guderian's Blitzkrieg II (2001)
Halls of Montezuma (2009)
Hammer of the Scots (2002)
Hannibal: Rome vs. Carthage (1996)
Hearts and Minds: Vietnam 1965-1975 (2010)
Hell's Highway (1983)
Hellenes: Campaigns of the Peloponnesian War (2009)
Here Come the Rebels (1993)
Here I Stand (2006)
History of the World (1991)
Hold the Line (2008)
Hornet Leader: Carrier Air Operations (2010)
Julius Caesar (2010)
Kingmaker (1974)
Korea: The Forgotten War (2003)
La Bataille D'Auerstaedt (1977)
La Bataille de la Moscowa (2010)
La Bataille des Quatre Bras (1991)
Labyrinth (2010)
Liberty Roads (2009)
Liberty: The American Revolution 1775-83 (2003)
Lock 'n Load: Band of Heroes (2005)
Manoeuvre (2008)
Maria (2009)
Memoir '44 (2004)
Napoleon: The Waterloo Campaign, 1815 (1974)
Napoleon's Last Battles (1976)
Napoleon's Triumph (2007)
Nero (2002)
No Peace without Spain (2010)
No Retreat! The Russian Front (2011)
Normandy '44 (2010)
Pacific Victory (2000)
Pacific War (1985)
Panzer Grenadier: (the series)
Panzerblitz & Panzerleader
Panzergruppe Guderian (1976)
Paths of Glory (1999)
Pax Romana (2006)
Persian Gulf: Battle for the Middle East (1986)
Phantom Leader (2010)
Price of Freedom (2008)
Pursuit of Glory (2008)
Quebec 1759 (1972)
RAF (1986)
RAF: The Battle of Britain 1940 (2009)
Raid on St. Nazaire (1987)
Reds! The Russian Civil War 1918-1921 (2001)
Republic of Rome (1990)
Richard III: The Wars of the Roses (2009)
Rise and Decline of the Third Reich (1974)
Roads to Gettysburg (1993)
Rommel in the Desert (1982)
Russian Civil War (1976)
Russian Front (1985)
Saratoga (1998)
Sekigahara: Unification of Japan (2011)
Shifting Sands (2006)
Silent War (2005)
SPQR (1992)
SPQR (Deluxe Edition) (2008)
Squad Leader (1977)
Stalin's War (2010)
Stalingrad (1963)
Stalingrad Pocket (2nd Edition) (1996)
Stonewall Jackson's Way (1992)
Streets of Stalingrad (third edition) (2003)
Successors (3rd Edition) (2008)
Sword of Rome (2004)
Terrible Swift Sword: The Battle of Gettysburg (1976)
The Battle for Normandy (2009)
The Battle of the Bulge (1965)
The Burning Blue (2006)
The Civil War (1983)
The Devil's Cauldron: (2008)
The Great Battles of Alexander: Deluxe Edition (1995)
The Great War in Europe: Delux (2007)
The Guns of August (1981)
The Hell of Stalingrad (2009)
The Korean War (1986)
The Longest Day (1979)
The Mighty Endeavor (2005)
The Napoleonic Wars (2002)
The Napoleonic Wars (2nd Edition) (2008)
The Russian Campaign (1976)
The Siege of Jerusalem (1989)
The Spanish Civil War 1936-1939 (2010)
The Third World War (1984)
The Thirty Years War (2001)
Thunder at the Crossroads (second edition) (1993)
Tide of Iron (2007)
Totaler Krieg! (1999)
Trial of Strength (1985)
Triumph of Chaos (2005)
Tunisia (1995)
Turning Point: Stalingrad (1989)
Twilight Struggle (2005)
Under the Lily Banners (2005)
Unhappy King Charles (2008)
Up Front (1983)
Victory in the Pacific (1977)
Vietnam 1965-1975 (1984)
War in Europe (1976)
War in the Pacific (1978)
War of 1812 (1973)
War of the Ring (2004)
Warriors of God (2008)
Washington's War (2010)
We the People (1994)
Wellington (2005)
WestFront II (2006)
Where There Is Discord: War in the South Atlantic (2009)
Whistling Death (2003)
Wilderness War (2001)
Wooden Ships & Iron Men (1975)
World at War: Eisenbach Gap (2007)
World in Flames (1985)
World War II: Barbarossa to Berlin (2002)
4. Historical perspective: When I play the game, I think I get a good sense of what participants involved in the conflict where grappling with
  5: Strongly Agree 4: Somewhat Agree 3: Neutral 2: Somewhat Disagree 1: Strongly Disagree
1776 (1974)
1805: Sea of Glory (2009)
1914: Twilight in the East (2007)
1936: Guerra Civil (2006)
2nd Fleet (1986)
A Few Acres of Snow (2011)
A House Divided (1981)
A Most Dangerous Time: Japan in Chaos, 1570-1584 (2009)
A Victory Lost (2006)
Advanced Squad Leader (1985)
Advanced Squad Leader: Starter Kits (the series)
Advanced Tobruk (2002)
Afrika (second edition) (2006)
Afrika Korps (1964)
Age of Napoleon (2003)
Ambush! (1983)
Angola (1988)
Anzio (1974)
Ardennes '44 (2003)
Asia Engulfed (2007)
Axis & Allies (the whole thing)
B-17: Queen of the Skies (1981)
Baltic Gap (2009)
Battle Cry (2000)
Bitter Woods (fourth edition) (2003)
Bonaparte at Marengo (2005)
Breakout: Normandy (1992)
Britannia (1986)
Burma (1999)
Caesar at Alesia (1976)
Campaign for North Africa (1979)
Carthage: The First Punic War (2005)
Case Blue (2007)
Clash of Giants II (2006)
Clash of Monarchs (2008)
Close Action (1997)
Combat Commander (the series)
Commands & Colors: Ancients (2006)
Commands & Colors: Napoleonics (2010)
Conflict of Heroes: (the series)
Crusader Rex (2005)
D-Day (1977)
D-Day at Omaha Beach (2009)
DAK2 (2004)
Downtown: Air War Over Hanoi, 1965-1972 (2004)
EastFront (1991)
Empire of the Sun (2005)
Empires in Arms (1983)
Empires of the Middle Ages (1980)
España 1936 (2007)
Europa Universalis (1993)
Europe Engulfed (2003)
FAB: The Bulge (2008)
Fields of Fire (2008)
Fighting Formations: (2011)
Fire in the East (1984)
Fire in the Sky: The Great Pacific War 1941-1945 (2005)
Flat Top (1977)
For the People (1998)
Friedrich (2004)
Grant Takes Command (2001)
Guderian's Blitzkrieg II (2001)
Halls of Montezuma (2009)
Hammer of the Scots (2002)
Hannibal: Rome vs. Carthage (1996)
Hearts and Minds: Vietnam 1965-1975 (2010)
Hell's Highway (1983)
Hellenes: Campaigns of the Peloponnesian War (2009)
Here Come the Rebels (1993)
Here I Stand (2006)
History of the World (1991)
Hold the Line (2008)
Hornet Leader: Carrier Air Operations (2010)
Julius Caesar (2010)
Kingmaker (1974)
Korea: The Forgotten War (2003)
La Bataille D'Auerstaedt (1977)
La Bataille de la Moscowa (2010)
La Bataille des Quatre Bras (1991)
Labyrinth (2010)
Liberty Roads (2009)
Liberty: The American Revolution 1775-83 (2003)
Lock 'n Load: Band of Heroes (2005)
Manoeuvre (2008)
Maria (2009)
Memoir '44 (2004)
Napoleon: The Waterloo Campaign, 1815 (1974)
Napoleon's Last Battles (1976)
Napoleon's Triumph (2007)
Nero (2002)
No Peace without Spain (2010)
No Retreat! The Russian Front (2011)
Normandy '44 (2010)
Pacific Victory (2000)
Pacific War (1985)
Panzer Grenadier: (the series)
Panzerblitz & Panzerleader
Panzergruppe Guderian (1976)
Paths of Glory (1999)
Pax Romana (2006)
Persian Gulf: Battle for the Middle East (1986)
Phantom Leader (2010)
Price of Freedom (2008)
Pursuit of Glory (2008)
Quebec 1759 (1972)
RAF (1986)
RAF: The Battle of Britain 1940 (2009)
Raid on St. Nazaire (1987)
Reds! The Russian Civil War 1918-1921 (2001)
Republic of Rome (1990)
Richard III: The Wars of the Roses (2009)
Rise and Decline of the Third Reich (1974)
Roads to Gettysburg (1993)
Rommel in the Desert (1982)
Russian Civil War (1976)
Russian Front (1985)
Saratoga (1998)
Sekigahara: Unification of Japan (2011)
Shifting Sands (2006)
Silent War (2005)
SPQR (1992)
SPQR (Deluxe Edition) (2008)
Squad Leader (1977)
Stalin's War (2010)
Stalingrad (1963)
Stalingrad Pocket (2nd Edition) (1996)
Stonewall Jackson's Way (1992)
Streets of Stalingrad (third edition) (2003)
Successors (3rd Edition) (2008)
Sword of Rome (2004)
Terrible Swift Sword: The Battle of Gettysburg (1976)
The Battle for Normandy (2009)
The Battle of the Bulge (1965)
The Burning Blue (2006)
The Civil War (1983)
The Devil's Cauldron: (2008)
The Great Battles of Alexander: Deluxe Edition (1995)
The Great War in Europe: Delux (2007)
The Guns of August (1981)
The Hell of Stalingrad (2009)
The Korean War (1986)
The Longest Day (1979)
The Mighty Endeavor (2005)
The Napoleonic Wars (2002)
The Napoleonic Wars (2nd Edition) (2008)
The Russian Campaign (1976)
The Siege of Jerusalem (1989)
The Spanish Civil War 1936-1939 (2010)
The Third World War (1984)
The Thirty Years War (2001)
Thunder at the Crossroads (second edition) (1993)
Tide of Iron (2007)
Totaler Krieg! (1999)
Trial of Strength (1985)
Triumph of Chaos (2005)
Tunisia (1995)
Turning Point: Stalingrad (1989)
Twilight Struggle (2005)
Under the Lily Banners (2005)
Unhappy King Charles (2008)
Up Front (1983)
Victory in the Pacific (1977)
Vietnam 1965-1975 (1984)
War in Europe (1976)
War in the Pacific (1978)
War of 1812 (1973)
War of the Ring (2004)
Warriors of God (2008)
Washington's War (2010)
We the People (1994)
Wellington (2005)
WestFront II (2006)
Where There Is Discord: War in the South Atlantic (2009)
Whistling Death (2003)
Wilderness War (2001)
Wooden Ships & Iron Men (1975)
World at War: Eisenbach Gap (2007)
World in Flames (1985)
World War II: Barbarossa to Berlin (2002)
5. Historical Understanding: When I play this game I gain insight into the conflict
  5: Strongly Agree 4: Somewhat Agree 3: Neutral 2: Somewhat Disagree 1: Strongly Disagree
1776 (1974)
1805: Sea of Glory (2009)
1914: Twilight in the East (2007)
1936: Guerra Civil (2006)
2nd Fleet (1986)
A Few Acres of Snow (2011)
A House Divided (1981)
A Most Dangerous Time: Japan in Chaos, 1570-1584 (2009)
A Victory Lost (2006)
Advanced Squad Leader (1985)
Advanced Squad Leader: Starter Kits (the series)
Advanced Tobruk (2002)
Afrika (second edition) (2006)
Afrika Korps (1964)
Age of Napoleon (2003)
Ambush! (1983)
Angola (1988)
Anzio (1974)
Ardennes '44 (2003)
Asia Engulfed (2007)
Axis & Allies (the whole thing)
B-17: Queen of the Skies (1981)
Baltic Gap (2009)
Battle Cry (2000)
Bitter Woods (fourth edition) (2003)
Bonaparte at Marengo (2005)
Breakout: Normandy (1992)
Britannia (1986)
Burma (1999)
Caesar at Alesia (1976)
Campaign for North Africa (1979)
Carthage: The First Punic War (2005)
Case Blue (2007)
Clash of Giants II (2006)
Clash of Monarchs (2008)
Close Action (1997)
Combat Commander (the series)
Commands & Colors: Ancients (2006)
Commands & Colors: Napoleonics (2010)
Conflict of Heroes: (the series)
Crusader Rex (2005)
D-Day (1977)
D-Day at Omaha Beach (2009)
DAK2 (2004)
Downtown: Air War Over Hanoi, 1965-1972 (2004)
EastFront (1991)
Empire of the Sun (2005)
Empires in Arms (1983)
Empires of the Middle Ages (1980)
España 1936 (2007)
Europa Universalis (1993)
Europe Engulfed (2003)
FAB: The Bulge (2008)
Fields of Fire (2008)
Fighting Formations: (2011)
Fire in the East (1984)
Fire in the Sky: The Great Pacific War 1941-1945 (2005)
Flat Top (1977)
For the People (1998)
Friedrich (2004)
Grant Takes Command (2001)
Guderian's Blitzkrieg II (2001)
Halls of Montezuma (2009)
Hammer of the Scots (2002)
Hannibal: Rome vs. Carthage (1996)
Hearts and Minds: Vietnam 1965-1975 (2010)
Hell's Highway (1983)
Hellenes: Campaigns of the Peloponnesian War (2009)
Here Come the Rebels (1993)
Here I Stand (2006)
History of the World (1991)
Hold the Line (2008)
Hornet Leader: Carrier Air Operations (2010)
Julius Caesar (2010)
Kingmaker (1974)
Korea: The Forgotten War (2003)
La Bataille D'Auerstaedt (1977)
La Bataille de la Moscowa (2010)
La Bataille des Quatre Bras (1991)
Labyrinth (2010)
Liberty Roads (2009)
Liberty: The American Revolution 1775-83 (2003)
Lock 'n Load: Band of Heroes (2005)
Manoeuvre (2008)
Maria (2009)
Memoir '44 (2004)
Napoleon: The Waterloo Campaign, 1815 (1974)
Napoleon's Last Battles (1976)
Napoleon's Triumph (2007)
Nero (2002)
No Peace without Spain (2010)
No Retreat! The Russian Front (2011)
Normandy '44 (2010)
Pacific Victory (2000)
Pacific War (1985)
Panzer Grenadier: (the series)
Panzerblitz & Panzerleader
Panzergruppe Guderian (1976)
Paths of Glory (1999)
Pax Romana (2006)
Persian Gulf: Battle for the Middle East (1986)
Phantom Leader (2010)
Price of Freedom (2008)
Pursuit of Glory (2008)
Quebec 1759 (1972)
RAF (1986)
RAF: The Battle of Britain 1940 (2009)
Raid on St. Nazaire (1987)
Reds! The Russian Civil War 1918-1921 (2001)
Republic of Rome (1990)
Richard III: The Wars of the Roses (2009)
Rise and Decline of the Third Reich (1974)
Roads to Gettysburg (1993)
Rommel in the Desert (1982)
Russian Civil War (1976)
Russian Front (1985)
Saratoga (1998)
Sekigahara: Unification of Japan (2011)
Shifting Sands (2006)
Silent War (2005)
SPQR (1992)
SPQR (Deluxe Edition) (2008)
Squad Leader (1977)
Stalin's War (2010)
Stalingrad (1963)
Stalingrad Pocket (2nd Edition) (1996)
Stonewall Jackson's Way (1992)
Streets of Stalingrad (third edition) (2003)
Successors (3rd Edition) (2008)
Sword of Rome (2004)
Terrible Swift Sword: The Battle of Gettysburg (1976)
The Battle for Normandy (2009)
The Battle of the Bulge (1965)
The Burning Blue (2006)
The Civil War (1983)
The Devil's Cauldron: (2008)
The Great Battles of Alexander: Deluxe Edition (1995)
The Great War in Europe: Delux (2007)
The Guns of August (1981)
The Hell of Stalingrad (2009)
The Korean War (1986)
The Longest Day (1979)
The Mighty Endeavor (2005)
The Napoleonic Wars (2002)
The Napoleonic Wars (2nd Edition) (2008)
The Russian Campaign (1976)
The Siege of Jerusalem (1989)
The Spanish Civil War 1936-1939 (2010)
The Third World War (1984)
The Thirty Years War (2001)
Thunder at the Crossroads (second edition) (1993)
Tide of Iron (2007)
Totaler Krieg! (1999)
Trial of Strength (1985)
Triumph of Chaos (2005)
Tunisia (1995)
Turning Point: Stalingrad (1989)
Twilight Struggle (2005)
Under the Lily Banners (2005)
Unhappy King Charles (2008)
Up Front (1983)
Victory in the Pacific (1977)
Vietnam 1965-1975 (1984)
War in Europe (1976)
War in the Pacific (1978)
War of 1812 (1973)
War of the Ring (2004)
Warriors of God (2008)
Washington's War (2010)
We the People (1994)
Wellington (2005)
WestFront II (2006)
Where There Is Discord: War in the South Atlantic (2009)
Whistling Death (2003)
Wilderness War (2001)
Wooden Ships & Iron Men (1975)
World at War: Eisenbach Gap (2007)
World in Flames (1985)
World War II: Barbarossa to Berlin (2002)
6. Historical Spark: When I play this game, I'm motivated to buy/consume more content related to the conflict
  5: Strongly Agree 4: Somewhat Agree 3: Neutral 2: Somewhat Disagree 1: Strongly Disagree
1776 (1974)
1805: Sea of Glory (2009)
1914: Twilight in the East (2007)
1936: Guerra Civil (2006)
2nd Fleet (1986)
A Few Acres of Snow (2011)
A House Divided (1981)
A Most Dangerous Time: Japan in Chaos, 1570-1584 (2009)
A Victory Lost (2006)
Advanced Squad Leader (1985)
Advanced Squad Leader: Starter Kits (the series)
Advanced Tobruk (2002)
Afrika (second edition) (2006)
Afrika Korps (1964)
Age of Napoleon (2003)
Ambush! (1983)
Angola (1988)
Anzio (1974)
Ardennes '44 (2003)
Asia Engulfed (2007)
Axis & Allies (the whole thing)
B-17: Queen of the Skies (1981)
Baltic Gap (2009)
Battle Cry (2000)
Bitter Woods (fourth edition) (2003)
Bonaparte at Marengo (2005)
Breakout: Normandy (1992)
Britannia (1986)
Burma (1999)
Caesar at Alesia (1976)
Campaign for North Africa (1979)
Carthage: The First Punic War (2005)
Case Blue (2007)
Clash of Giants II (2006)
Clash of Monarchs (2008)
Close Action (1997)
Combat Commander (the series)
Commands & Colors: Ancients (2006)
Commands & Colors: Napoleonics (2010)
Conflict of Heroes: (the series)
Crusader Rex (2005)
D-Day (1977)
D-Day at Omaha Beach (2009)
DAK2 (2004)
Downtown: Air War Over Hanoi, 1965-1972 (2004)
EastFront (1991)
Empire of the Sun (2005)
Empires in Arms (1983)
Empires of the Middle Ages (1980)
España 1936 (2007)
Europa Universalis (1993)
Europe Engulfed (2003)
FAB: The Bulge (2008)
Fields of Fire (2008)
Fighting Formations: (2011)
Fire in the East (1984)
Fire in the Sky: The Great Pacific War 1941-1945 (2005)
Flat Top (1977)
For the People (1998)
Friedrich (2004)
Grant Takes Command (2001)
Guderian's Blitzkrieg II (2001)
Halls of Montezuma (2009)
Hammer of the Scots (2002)
Hannibal: Rome vs. Carthage (1996)
Hearts and Minds: Vietnam 1965-1975 (2010)
Hell's Highway (1983)
Hellenes: Campaigns of the Peloponnesian War (2009)
Here Come the Rebels (1993)
Here I Stand (2006)
History of the World (1991)
Hold the Line (2008)
Hornet Leader: Carrier Air Operations (2010)
Julius Caesar (2010)
Kingmaker (1974)
Korea: The Forgotten War (2003)
La Bataille D'Auerstaedt (1977)
La Bataille de la Moscowa (2010)
La Bataille des Quatre Bras (1991)
Labyrinth (2010)
Liberty Roads (2009)
Liberty: The American Revolution 1775-83 (2003)
Lock 'n Load: Band of Heroes (2005)
Manoeuvre (2008)
Maria (2009)
Memoir '44 (2004)
Napoleon: The Waterloo Campaign, 1815 (1974)
Napoleon's Last Battles (1976)
Napoleon's Triumph (2007)
Nero (2002)
No Peace without Spain (2010)
No Retreat! The Russian Front (2011)
Normandy '44 (2010)
Pacific Victory (2000)
Pacific War (1985)
Panzer Grenadier: (the series)
Panzerblitz & Panzerleader
Panzergruppe Guderian (1976)
Paths of Glory (1999)
Pax Romana (2006)
Persian Gulf: Battle for the Middle East (1986)
Phantom Leader (2010)
Price of Freedom (2008)
Pursuit of Glory (2008)
Quebec 1759 (1972)
RAF (1986)
RAF: The Battle of Britain 1940 (2009)
Raid on St. Nazaire (1987)
Reds! The Russian Civil War 1918-1921 (2001)
Republic of Rome (1990)
Richard III: The Wars of the Roses (2009)
Rise and Decline of the Third Reich (1974)
Roads to Gettysburg (1993)
Rommel in the Desert (1982)
Russian Civil War (1976)
Russian Front (1985)
Saratoga (1998)
Sekigahara: Unification of Japan (2011)
Shifting Sands (2006)
Silent War (2005)
SPQR (1992)
SPQR (Deluxe Edition) (2008)
Squad Leader (1977)
Stalin's War (2010)
Stalingrad (1963)
Stalingrad Pocket (2nd Edition) (1996)
Stonewall Jackson's Way (1992)
Streets of Stalingrad (third edition) (2003)
Successors (3rd Edition) (2008)
Sword of Rome (2004)
Terrible Swift Sword: The Battle of Gettysburg (1976)
The Battle for Normandy (2009)
The Battle of the Bulge (1965)
The Burning Blue (2006)
The Civil War (1983)
The Devil's Cauldron: (2008)
The Great Battles of Alexander: Deluxe Edition (1995)
The Great War in Europe: Delux (2007)
The Guns of August (1981)
The Hell of Stalingrad (2009)
The Korean War (1986)
The Longest Day (1979)
The Mighty Endeavor (2005)
The Napoleonic Wars (2002)
The Napoleonic Wars (2nd Edition) (2008)
The Russian Campaign (1976)
The Siege of Jerusalem (1989)
The Spanish Civil War 1936-1939 (2010)
The Third World War (1984)
The Thirty Years War (2001)
Thunder at the Crossroads (second edition) (1993)
Tide of Iron (2007)
Totaler Krieg! (1999)
Trial of Strength (1985)
Triumph of Chaos (2005)
Tunisia (1995)
Turning Point: Stalingrad (1989)
Twilight Struggle (2005)
Under the Lily Banners (2005)
Unhappy King Charles (2008)
Up Front (1983)
Victory in the Pacific (1977)
Vietnam 1965-1975 (1984)
War in Europe (1976)
War in the Pacific (1978)
War of 1812 (1973)
War of the Ring (2004)
Warriors of God (2008)
Washington's War (2010)
We the People (1994)
Wellington (2005)
WestFront II (2006)
Where There Is Discord: War in the South Atlantic (2009)
Whistling Death (2003)
Wilderness War (2001)
Wooden Ships & Iron Men (1975)
World at War: Eisenbach Gap (2007)
World in Flames (1985)
World War II: Barbarossa to Berlin (2002)
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Ended up with these questions:

Historical Flavor: Feels like the conflict you've read about

Historical Depth: Has significant amount of key dynamics shaping conflict

Historical Simulation: Seems to produce historical plausible outcomes most of the time

Historical perspective: When I play the game, I think I get a good sense of what participants involved in the conflict where grappling with

Historical Understanding: When I play this game I gain insight into the conflict

Historical Spark: When I play this game, I'm motivated to buy/consume more content related to the conflict

Wargames on the list are Top BGG 100 wargames plus a few others. I tried to scrub the list for series and non historical (but left world war 3).
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Too much for one poll - it'll have to wait until I have more time.
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arrrh yes, one to be completed when you want to waste some serious time

Was thinking about limiting it to a few games, but, then thought that respondents would do that anyways: I would guess they will only rate games they feel most strongly about.

If anyone has played all of these 175 wargames, they have been stranded on an island for a few decades.
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Probably gets a "poll weight" of a 5. whistle
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Yea this one is a poll monster, not sure I'll ever have the time to go through it all. Perhaps reduce it to one or two questions? However at the risk of making it even longer I would add The Killing Ground/Overlord to the list.
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That is a (playable) monster poll!
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Herr Dr wrote:
Probably gets a "poll weight" of a 5. whistle


It's the Triumph of Chaos of polls!
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Yea this one is a poll monster, not sure I'll ever have the time to go through it all. Perhaps reduce it to one or two questions? However at the risk of making it even longer I would add The Killing Ground/Overlord to the list.


The poll points out a number of issues:

1) Would be MUCH more efficient to have a "history" rating for wargames. I drew the line at about 175 games; the top 100, those with alot of ratings, well known (famous/infamous) wargames - to get some baseline on the ratings. I know I left out quite a games, but, the poll would have been even larger.

2) The BIG issue would be to decide what that "history" rating should represent - any of the 6 questions listed above? Others?

3) Best way to attempt to answer the questions is to take it in small bites; like eating a monster wargame
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two questions - but choice of games is inconsistent -
in some cases series' are represented as one question in
others they each have their own entries,
and poll too large to do at once.
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Herr Dr wrote:


2) The BIG issue would be to decide what that "history" rating should represent - any of the 6 questions listed above? Others?


Don't be foolish, the BIG issue quite clearly is whether we agree with your decision to include Twilight Struggle in this wargames-list.
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A "history" rating is really tough. Historical elements are so subjective that a hard and fast rating could be very unfair to a lot of games.

I think going the other way and having a "bullshit" rating might be better. It's a lot easier (in my eyes) to find disinformation than it is to determine which historical evidence "should have been included."

For example, is the CAP system from CoH a-historical? Does the card system from Combat Commander simulate the chaos of battle? How effective were Roman pilum? All open to debate.

On the other hand:

Is the order of battle completely wrong for a specific battle? Were there elephants present at Issus? Did the Germans have Tiger tanks at Stalingrad? Depending on the time period and the battle, these questions are much easier to determine.

Just my thoughts.

Good Gaming~! Mick

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PLEASE reformat this!


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A "history" rating is really tough. Historical elements are so subjective that a hard and fast rating could be very unfair to a lot of games.

I think going the other way and having a "bullshit" rating might be better. It's a lot easier (in my eyes) to find disinformation than it is to determine which historical evidence "should have been included."

For example, is the CAP system from CoH a-historical? Does the card system from Combat Commander simulate the chaos of battle? How effective were Roman pilum? All open to debate.

On the other hand:

Is the order of battle completely wrong for a specific battle? Were there elephants present at Issus? Did the Germans have Tiger tanks at Stalingrad? Depending on the time period and the battle, these questions are much easier to determine.

Just my thoughts.

Good Gaming~! Mick



All good questions. It is funny how the "this game is not remotely historical" beef is tossed out on this or that game and there is so little agreement in the hobby regarding what that means. However, some games seemed to have almost a hobby wide consensus that they are not historical, and, yet, still great games with high BGG ratings. The opposite is also true - THIS particular game is "historical", but, it is a real turkey of a game that isn't worth the effort.

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You will have to take that up with my non-existant team of assistants. robot Of course, I agree; maybe I should have went the other route - rate 10 games on the six questions....but which 10 games...guess we could have taken either the top rated 10 or 10 with most ratings. I suppose that would have unleashed some real fireworks.
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My opinions are too opinionated to be of value to anyone.

In your opinion.
In my opinion, history might not be that historical either.
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I feel like I should study for a few days, before taking this exam.
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Even God doesn't have enough time to complete that poll.
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Herr Dr wrote:
Probably gets a "poll weight" of a 5. whistle


"Poll weight?" God, there are so many things I'd like to post in response to that... but for all your sakes, I'll refrain.
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Think what I'll do is give the poll a few days or more to see what, if anything, shakes out. After that, I'll toss up one with 20 games only and two questions: historical flavor and historical simulation. The 20 would include a couple of baseline games, a number of ones that have taken some knocks over the years, some held up as "historically accurate" and a mix of high and low rated. I'm not sure how "historical" a wargame is thought of or not really significantly impacts the game rating.

Take any number of the classics that are highly rated and I think the historical rating would be low. I would think that Victory in the Pacific is a textbook example; totally nutcase following (big WBC tourneys for years) and everyone that I know that plays it calls it "Dice in the Pacific" and could care less how it models or not what may have happened or not in the actual conflict. At the other extreme would be something like Air War from SPI; one of the highest game weight (I'll assume "history") and yet one of the lowest rated wargames ever.

The other thing from the very initial responses above is the range of opinion on many games. Some games on the list I think have about as much historical accuracy as a Mel Gibson movie (Braveheart) - like none. Yet, most think a particular clunker is historically spot on, so, what the hell do I know.
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O dear. That poll is one of those P- vs NP-problems I hear about.

Perhaps you could lighten the poll by dividing by historical period. Ancients obsessed gamers can answer what they know about, ditto Am Civ War freaks, WW2 loons and so on.

The other idea is rather than a 1-5 poll a simpler 'Very Historical' / 'Reflects History' / 'Ahistorical'. A three-scale would be simpler for later analysis with minimal loss of meaningful resolution
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Even God doesn't have enough time to complete that poll.



But what does God need with a starship?
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O dear. That poll is one of those P- vs NP-problems I hear about.

Perhaps you could lighten the poll by dividing by historical period. Ancients obsessed gamers can answer what they know about, ditto Am Civ War freaks, WW2 loons and so on.

The other idea is rather than a 1-5 poll a simpler 'Very Historical' / 'Reflects History' / 'Ahistorical'. A three-scale would be simpler for later analysis with minimal loss of meaningful resolution


good suggestion
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