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I just bought 5 classic war games off eBay. They're in the mail, but haven't arrived yet (hurry, Mr. Postman!), and I wanted your input on which one to dive into first. The games are:

The Arab-Israeli Wars
Air Force
Afrika Korps
The Russian Campaign
Gulf Strike

Any input/enthusiasm you can share will be appreciated and will help tide me over until the games themselves arrive.

Thanks!!
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If you have the time and the space, Gulf Strike stands head and shoulders above the rest.

If you don't - and you have an opponent - then I'd go with Russian Campaign.

But they are all worth having, so there's no bad choice.
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usrlocal wrote:
If you're new to board wargaming, Afrika Korps is a great classic to start out with...


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Re: Which ones first?
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Gulf Strike -- and then teach me. It looks very complex, but the designer is my favorite.

Otherwise, all things being equal, I'll join in with those that say Afrika Korps is a very good one.
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Dragon66 wrote:
I just bought 5 classic war games off eBay. They're in the mail, but haven't arrived yet (hurry, Mr. Postman!), and I wanted your input on which one to dive into first. The games are:

The Arab-Israeli Wars
Air Force
Afrika Korps
The Russian Campaign
Gulf Strike

Any input/enthusiasm you can share will be appreciated and will help tide me over until the games themselves arrive.

Thanks!!


Hi Dragon66! Here are my thoughts...

- Arab-Israeli Wars: best of the Panzerblitz style games. Mid range complexity, so I wouldn't necessarily start with this one. Good game.

- Air Force: I haven't played this one, but have heard good things.

- Afrika Korps: one of the best of the true AH "Classics". I still play this one and it's great. It's the easiest of the games on your list, so it's a good one to start with.

- Russian Campaign: my favorite wargame of all time. Both sides get to play offense and defense over the course of the campaign game. Captures the spirit of that war with relatively easy rules. I'd play this one right after Afrika Korps.

- Gulf Strike: oy vey! The most complex of the bunch. I really like the concepts that Mark Herman tried to capture in this design, but the rule set is dense, to say the least (not that modeling modern warfare is something that can be done with 4 pages of rules, but this one will make your head hurt). I'd leave this one until last.
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I think Afrika Corps' the best of the bunch -
especially if you're looking for a starter wargame.

Russian Campaign's not a bad choice, but the rest should
probably not be attempted early in a hobbyist's career.

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Yes, and while you're playing that to begin with, then look over this in the meantime: Expanded TRC whistle
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Wow, thanks all! I have wargamed before, from House Divided and Silent Death up to Empires of the Middle Ages. I haven't played any of the true Monster games, but that's more due to a lack of opportunity than of interest.

Anyway, I saw these games up on ebay, and I couldn't resist adding them to my collection. Thanks again for all your input! Anything else to add?
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GROGnads wrote:
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You forgot 'army left'.
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usrlocal wrote:
Well, then. Straight to The Russian Campaign with you!


What he said.

While Gulf Strike is a personal favorite of mine, yeah it can be a bit of a brain burner.
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I agree, Russian Campaign is probably the best game and relatively easy to get into.

Gulf Strike is a mon-ster.

Air Force is good but like most air combat games it is very fiddly.

Afrika Korps is very dated.

And while Arab Israeli Wars is the best of the Panzerblitz lineage, that system is really showing its age.
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By the way....when I played all the games you listed, I was living in Kenosha....

Were you there when GenCon used to be at UW-P?

(Actually, I see your TSR microbadge so I am going to guess yes).
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GROGnads wrote:
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Ashiefan wrote:
You forgot 'army left'.
"it" WERE 'predominominally renown' throughout there as "Civilian LEFT"!
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Ashitaka wrote:
usrlocal wrote:
If you're new to board wargaming, Afrika Korps is a great classic to start out with...


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TedW wrote:
By the way....when I played all the games you listed, I was living in Kenosha....

Were you there when GenCon used to be at UW-P?


Yes, I attended a couple GenCons at Parkside, before TSR moved it to MECCA in Milwaukee.

I've left Kenosha more than once since then, but it keeps drawing me back.

 
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Those were some good days! SPI and GDW would always be out in full force not only touting their products but also running events. Publishers don't seem to do that enough anymore.....

I actually grew up in Twin Lakes so I was able to periodically get out to Lake Geneva and go to The Dungeon (when my mom would drive me out there....). I went to high school in K Town though.. Used to play a lot of Squad Leader and War in Europe back in the day....
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TedW wrote:
Those were some good days! SPI and GDW would always be out in full force not only touting their products but also running events. Publishers don't seem to do that enough anymore.....
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Maybe they don't get the right payoff from the wrong cons.

GMT and VPG (especially) had reps at Consimworld.
Phil Ecklund was there running games too.
 
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