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Yes on aliens, in the sense that life probably exists elsewhere in the universe, not that they're visiting us right now.

Yes on good and evil.

No on the rest.


Edit: but see later posts
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I don't believe in good and evil, but I do believe in good and bad, so I figured close enough.
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Hmm, I'm not sure Aliens belongs on this list (it's the only thing that prevented me from voting None of the Above). I had to vote for Aliens under the definition of "sentient lifeforms with an intelligence and ability to communicate greater than that of, say, Dog, which live *somewhere* in the universe, and will not necessarily be in contact with Man at a future time. And by saying that I believe said Aliens exist, I really mean that I believe that they *might* exist."

Edit: With the new clarification, changing vote to None of the Above.
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col_w wrote:
Yes on aliens, in the sense that life probably exists elsewhere in the universe, not that they're visiting us right now.

Argh. Beat by the brief answer.
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I'd like to note that while I answered in the affirmative for aliens that isn't a vote for "aliens have visited Earth" or anything like that. Just from the scope of the universe it seems likely other lifeforms exist somewhere. That may or may not have been your intended usage for that option.

Edit: Well, looks like that's become the standard usage in any case. Maybe a secondary poll is in order for those of us that chose that option?

Edit again: Never mind, I just copied the cool kids and changed my answer.
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I don't believe in good and evil, but I do believe in good and bad, so I figured close enough.


Isn't evil extreme bad?
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Since I can't edit the poll I meant aliens in the sense that there are sentient beings who visit the earth and or fly around affecting our lives in some way or form.

Ancient aliens helping us build pyramids and other structures or those that will come rescue us from or guide us through a cataclysm. Or malevolent ones who come to do experiments on us.




Oh. Vote changed.
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None of the above, Alien life probably exists, but I interpreted the answer as flying saucer butt probing aliens.

I especially dislike the concept of 'good vs evil'. It is just too convenient too use it to whitewash the atrocity of the day, and it is entirely subjective.
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col_w wrote:
noon wrote:
I don't believe in good and evil, but I do believe in good and bad, so I figured close enough.


Isn't evil extreme bad?
Interesting question. The Black Plague was extremely bad but I wouldn't say it is evil.
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I especially dislike the concept of 'good vs evil'. It is just too convenient too use it to whitewash the atrocity of the day, and it is entirely subjective.


Subjectivity doesn't mean it's not real. Beauty is subjective.
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I love how atheists/agnostics bash religious folk for believing in a God they claim there is no evidence for. Yet, look at all the people who believe in aliens...which there is no evidence for.
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I believe in aliens, but I do not believe they have been anywhere near Earth yet.
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jmsmith2434 wrote:
I love how atheists/agnostics bash religious folk for believing in a God they claim there is no evidence for. Yet, look at all the people who believe in aliens...which there is no evidence for.


As an atheist I agree with you. I wouldn't check aliens even if it meant in the abstract "somewhere in the universe" sense.
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joe_salamone wrote:
I believe in aliens, but I do not believe they have been anywhere near Earth yet.


Then on what basis do you believe in them?
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jmsmith2434 wrote:
I love how atheists/agnostics bash religious folk for believing in a God they claim there is no evidence for. Yet, look at all the people who believe in aliens...which there is no evidence for.


Give it time - I think initially people were responding to that item on the basis that alien life somewhere was both plausible and probable, rather than present on earth now. Since the OP has clarified the intent, I strongly suspect that percentage will change downwards.
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The only thing I voted for was "good and evil". Everything else on the list appears to require something to exist independent of us. Good and evil can exist by dint of definition.
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col_w wrote:
jmsmith2434 wrote:
I love how atheists/agnostics bash religious folk for believing in a God they claim there is no evidence for. Yet, look at all the people who believe in aliens...which there is no evidence for.


Give it time - I think initially people were responding to that item on the basis that alien life somewhere was both plausible and probable, rather than present on earth now. Since the OP has clarified the intent, I strongly suspect that percentage will change downwards.


Still not clear to me why the percentage should have been high even given the original interpretation.
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col_w wrote:
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I especially dislike the concept of 'good vs evil'. It is just too convenient too use it to whitewash the atrocity of the day, and it is entirely subjective.


Subjectivity doesn't mean it's not real. Beauty is subjective.
I never spoke to its reality. At best both good and evil are labels or qualifiers attached to actual behavior, actual people or, occasionally, actual objects. As such their reality lies entirely withing the eye of the beholder, just as beauty,. I contend that it is especially the reality ascribed to good and evil by using them as qualifiers for what -in the inherently subjective mind of the beholder- are behaviors/people/objects deemed worthy of them, that enables and promotes particular behavior in accordance with the agenda of the beholder. The danger, as I see it, stems from the fact that good and evil are usually presented as absolutes, when they absolutely are not.
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I assume for witch you don't mean Wiccan practitioner. What do you mean?
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jmsmith2434 wrote:
I love how atheists/agnostics bash religious folk for believing in a God they claim there is no evidence for. Yet, look at all the people who believe in aliens...which there is no evidence for.


As an atheist I agree with you. I wouldn't check aliens even if it meant in the abstract "somewhere in the universe" sense.


This is the first post in RSP that has surprised me for some time. Can you elaborate Marshall?
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mdp4828 wrote:
The only thing I voted for was "good and evil". Everything else on the list appears to require something to exist independent of us. Good and evil can exist by dint of definition.


In the question for the poll I specified ... as more than just an idea.


I take that to mean the question is whether good and evil exist in some objective sense independent of us (i.e. God is objectively good or something like that). Vote changed to none of the above.
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JoshBot wrote:
col_w wrote:
noon wrote:
I don't believe in good and evil, but I do believe in good and bad, so I figured close enough.


Isn't evil extreme bad?
Interesting question. The Black Plague was extremely bad but I wouldn't say it is evil.


My personal definition of good/bad/evil includes human intent. So something like the Black Plague doesn't really fit that spectrum. Bad applied to the plague is really only a shorthand for a collection of other descriptors.
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col_w wrote:
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jmsmith2434 wrote:
I love how atheists/agnostics bash religious folk for believing in a God they claim there is no evidence for. Yet, look at all the people who believe in aliens...which there is no evidence for.


As an atheist I agree with you. I wouldn't check aliens even if it meant in the abstract "somewhere in the universe" sense.


This is the first post in RSP that has surprised me for some time. Can you elaborate Marshall?


Well.... there's no, you know, evidence for the proposition that aliens exist somewhere in the universe. Just like there's no evidence that we live in a multiverse.

Neither of those propositions (aliens and multiverses) are ruled out by the evidence that we do have. Their existence is even logically consistent with everything we know about the universe and the laws of nature. It may even seem likely that both of those propositions are true.

I just happen to believe that things can't be argued into existence based just on logic. The only way to warrant a belief in the objective independent existence of something is to make an empirical observation of some kind that is a necessary consequence of the existence of that thing.
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mdp4828 wrote:
I just happen to believe that things can't be argued into existence based just on logic.


So you don't believe in imaginary numbers?
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I just happen to believe that things can't be argued into existence based just on logic.


So you don't believe in imaginary numbers?


Imaginary numbers are found in many mathematical models that describe some aspect of the Universe. Aspects which are backed up by copious empirical observations.
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