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A Southend-in-sea councillor has said that he does not care if smokers die of cancer in a debate about setting aside council homes for non-smokers (the Tories being the party of choice). Is he a total tit or a man of great foresight and honesty?
http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/9427096.Council_homes_should...
 
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Why are those two statements mutually exclusive?
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alxamp21 wrote:
Why are those two statements mutually exclusive?


Which two?
 
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IIRC, there was one Central European country that toyed with the idea of encouraging people to smoke so that more people would die younger -- thus saving tax money on pensions.

In the mental health system in this country it is frighteningly common that clients are tacitly encouraged to smoke in the belief that the addictive nicotine is somehow helpful to their mental condition. The idea that "nicotine is good for you, even if smoke isn't" has laregly been debunked, yet the practice persists.
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Michael Hopcroft wrote:
IIRC, there was one Central European country that toyed with the idea of encouraging people to smoke so that more people would die younger -- thus saving tax money on pensions.


Possible, but I'd guess what you're thinking of happened when a country was advocating a cigarette tax on the grounds that cigarettes increased the cost of healthcare in the country. The national subsidiary of one of the big tobacco companies commissioned a study to see if this was true and argued based on that study that there was either no net increase or (more likely) a net reduction of costs, mainly because deaths associated with tobacco were quicker and less expensive and also reduced the pension burden.
 
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Michael Hopcroft wrote:
IIRC, there was one Central European country that toyed with the idea of encouraging people to smoke so that more people would die younger -- thus saving tax money on pensions.


Possible, but I'd guess what you're thinking of happened when a country was advocating a cigarette tax on the grounds that cigarettes increased the cost of healthcare in the country. The national subsidiary of one of the big tobacco companies commissioned a study to see if this was true and argued based on that study that there was either no net increase or (more likely) a net reduction of costs, mainly because deaths associated with tobacco were quicker and less expensive and also reduced the pension burden.
Which country are you referring to?
 
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A Southend-in-sea councillor has said that he does not care if smokers die of cancer in a debate about setting aside council homes for non-smokers (the Tories being the party of choice). Is he a total tit or a man of great foresight and honesty?
http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/9427096.Council_homes_should...


He's a politician, therefore he's a total tit.
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slatersteven wrote:
A Southend-in-sea councillor has said that he does not care if smokers die of cancer in a debate about setting aside council homes for non-smokers (the Tories being the party of choice). Is he a total tit or a man of great foresight and honesty?
http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/9427096.Council_homes_should...


He's a politician, therefore he's a total tit.


He may be a politician now, he will allways be a total tit.
 
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I haven't followed up the quote to know whether it's in context or not, but even with the worst interpretation of it it's not the most crass recent activity by a Conservative politician, even if you are in total agreement with all of their policies. Aidan Burley would be the name to look for - and he was supposed to be one of the high flying intelligent ones.
 
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Death is the logical conclusion of life, especially one spent smoking. Why should that be a heart breaker? If I care about you personally, I'll be quite concerned, but that's your choice.
 
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There is definitely something in the assertion that smoking is more common in those with paranoid schizophrenia. There are a number of reasonable theories for this from simple boredom on inpatient wards to ventral tegmental dopaminergic projections being blocked by antipsychotics to dysrgeulation of D2 receptors as a primary pathological feature of schizophrenia (anhedonia being a common feature even in untreated folk).
 
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PinkPiggy wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
A Southend-in-sea councillor has said that he does not care if smokers die of cancer in a debate about setting aside council homes for non-smokers (the Tories being the party of choice). Is he a total tit or a man of great foresight and honesty?
http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/9427096.Council_homes_should...


It's not for me to say how it should work in your country. However, I think it is possible to smoke in home and keep it clean. It just takes a little effort. When I was a young man my friends and I would have LAN parties every weekend and smoke a couple packs of fags each. In the warm weather, the windows would be open. Next day, bleach, baking soda, vacuuming. The walls stayed white, the carpet stayed fresh as a basement carpet can be.



Thats prety much the response he has got "well we are not filthy aminals and clean our homes".
 
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There is definitely something in the assertion that smoking is more common in those with paranoid schizophrenia. There are a number of reasonable theories for this from simple boredom on inpatient wards to ventral tegmental dopaminergic projections being blocked by antipsychotics to dysrgeulation of D2 receptors as a primary pathological feature of schizophrenia (anhedonia being a common feature even in untreated folk).


Thanks, but could you translate that into English for me?

All I know for sure is that whenever I go to a mental health clinic there are always people going outside to smoke, regardless of how miserable the weather is. Going outside to smoke during a winter storm is a sure sign of serious addiction....
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tommcphee wrote:
There is definitely something in the assertion that smoking is more common in those with paranoid schizophrenia. There are a number of reasonable theories for this from simple boredom on inpatient wards to ventral tegmental dopaminergic projections being blocked by antipsychotics to dysrgeulation of D2 receptors as a primary pathological feature of schizophrenia (anhedonia being a common feature even in untreated folk).


Thanks, but could you translate that into English for me?

All I know for sure is that whenever I go to a mental health clinic there are always people going outside to smoke, regardless of how miserable the weather is. Going outside to smoke during a winter storm is a sure sign of serious addiction....


I agree. And whenever I drive past an office building in horrible weather I see many people outside smoking. I have never smoked, but it is surely addictive, just not according to the tobacco companies. In my state, tax revenues from cigarette taxes were down because fewer people are smoking and this is a big concern for our legislature. They need people to smoke to enhance the revenue stream.
 
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