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A friend at the weekend took OCS: Burma down off the shelf, looked at the maps, looked at the counters and then said, without irony, "is it like Risk?"

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A friend at the weekend took OCS: Burma down off the shelf, looked at the maps, looked at the counters and then said, without irony, "is it like Risk?"



Happens every time....
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But Burma isn't a territory in RISK ????
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ShallowThought wrote:
A friend at the weekend took OCS: Burma down off the shelf, looked at the maps, looked at the counters and then said, without irony, "is it like Risk?"



I hope you said yes.

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Risk is a turn-based game for two to six players. The standard version is played on a board depicting a political map of the Earth, divided into forty-two territories, which are grouped into six continents. The primary object of the game is "world domination," or "to occupy every territory on the board and in so doing, eliminate all other players."[1] Players control armies with which they attempt to capture territories from other players, with results determined by dice rolls.



Not to dust off that tired old debate, but in general, sounds like the definition of a wargame to me.

Non-wargamers use Risk as a touchstone because it's what they know. It's understandable. Like someone with no idea what rugby is asking "is it like football?" Umm. Yeah, kinda. It's a professional sport, and the ball is oval and brown. And you score points. It's in the same category. Are they a *LOT* alike? You won't really know unless you spend some time getting into it.

So give it a try.

How did your game of OCS go?

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Well, at least they didn't say, "Is it like Monopoly?"
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Is it like Risk?
....Yes. Yes it is. Want to play?
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When the Romans first saw Pyrrhus' elephants in Lucania, they called them Luca bos, or Lucanian cow.
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When the Romans first saw Pyrrhus' elephants in Lucania, they called them Luca bos, or Lucanian cow.

Interesting, but it did not make them correct.
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Xookliba wrote:
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When the Romans first saw Pyrrhus' elephants in Lucania, they called them Luca bos, or Lucanian cow.

Interesting, but it did not make them correct.
That is why the elephants got mad and trampled them to death, a lot of 'em! wow
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ShallowThought wrote:
A friend at the weekend took OCS: Burma down off the shelf, looked at the maps, looked at the counters and then said, without irony, "is it like Risk?"


Hi Joe

You could say it have OCS series rules 4.0 with 47 pages plus the rulebook.



versus



I think they might be the same. Don´t you think? whistle
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Best answer to That kind of question I heard is, "risk [or game x] is like à t-Ford. Now adays we play the eqvialent of a Ferrari"
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virre wrote:
Best answer to That kind of question I heard is, "risk [or game x] is like à t-Ford. Now adays we play the eqvialent of a Ferrari"


Isn't a Ferrari faster than a Model T Ford?
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ShallowThought wrote:
A friend at the weekend took OCS: Burma down off the shelf, looked at the maps, looked at the counters and then said, without irony, "is it like Risk?"



In my younger, more naive days on the internet when I was (younger and naiver, and organizing a group that was allegedly going to play some allledged game marketted as the greatest wargame of all time or whatever (being a mmpog it was neither - but never mind that), in my role as social director for this group of guys - I was charged with interviewing them over ICQ or email.

I dumbly asked interviewees if they had any experience with wargames (this alleged wargame was supposed to be a collection of simulators -tanks, infantry, planes, you name it - and was geared for France 1940); I thought the rationale was to find guys who had a basic familiarity with the tactical situation in 1940 (that being that French tanks could be pretty tough, and Matilda IIs were not to be taken lightly)... etc

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cutting to the chase...

I got a lot of answers like that : "Er, I have played Risk/Stratego/Axis and Allies/Chess (fill in the blank with one of those), does that count?" (Editorial comment being none of those gets one familiarity with German vs Allied TOE's in 1940- regardless of if one wants to engage in the 'what's a wargame debate' -which apparently has no answer --- just mention it to someone into FPS's that maybe what they are doing isn't to the same standard as a grand tactical game on, say Gettysburg' gets you a lot of howls of aggro indignation, and more than a few insults. (But that is the electronic form of the same debate ).

Me: "Er, ok, moving along ..."

But I feel your pain.
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SJBenoist wrote:
To someone who doesn't participate in the hobby, it's just like RISK.

It's all a matter of your personal frame-of-reference.

P.S. The correct response to that question is:
"Why don't we play a game and you can judge for yourself?"



Then he rolls on the Ambush Results Table to see if he's now hooked to the hobby....

Here's my perspective, as I started playing Axis & Allies, Fortress America and other Wargame/Thematic games before moving onto to "real" wargames.

If you want another person to play face to face with, don't take the piss with his lack of knowledge. He's already into this type of boardgame so train him up and you may just get Burma on the table...
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Michael Dorosh wrote:

How did your game of OCS go?


We played Chess (not a wargame). I won 4-0.
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sullafelix wrote:
Xookliba wrote:
sullafelix wrote:
When the Romans first saw Pyrrhus' elephants in Lucania, they called them Luca bos, or Lucanian cow.

Interesting, but it did not make them correct.
That is why the elephants got mad and trampled them to death, a lot of 'em! wow

So ... in response to the question about OCS:Burma, the OP should have said, "Like Risk? Why, my Burmese Lucabos have trampled people to death for such inane comments!" Is that it?
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Patrick Carroll wrote:
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sullafelix wrote:
When the Romans first saw Pyrrhus' elephants in Lucania, they called them Luca bos, or Lucanian cow.

Interesting, but it did not make them correct.
That is why the elephants got mad and trampled them to death, a lot of 'em! wow

So ... in response to the question about OCS:Burma, the OP should have said, "Like Risk? Why, my Burmese Lucabos have trampled people to death for such inane comments!" Is that it?


My wife makes comments about my wargames.

But I wouldn't call them inane........ at least until she's out of the room
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virre wrote:
Best answer to That kind of question I heard is, "risk [or game x] is like à t-Ford Yugo. Now adays we play the eqvialent of a Ferrari Bugatti"


FTFY.
 
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Nope, far from inane
 
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But Burma isn't a territory in RISK ????

But other than that, the games are virtually identical.
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Nope, far from inane ;)


Oh damn. I thought there was an 's'.
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At least you don't have to hide your Wargames as I do when the German wife of a friend of mine comes over. She's a lovely woman but freaks a bit about anything to do with war. At least with my copy of Burma I could pretend I was planning a site seeing tour.
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He's just never played a good wargame. If he'd pay more attention, he'd realize there's a whole world of gaming out there.


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For people who don't know what wargames are, Risk is their only point of reference. When asked in the past by what a wargame was, I must confess I would ask them if they ever heard of the game Risk. Then I would say, "kind of like that, only a lot more complex". This is the sort of quick answer I would give if I thought that there was no chance the questioner would have an interest in wargames. I would give a better answer if I thought the questioner could be recruited.
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