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I'm working on a (Napoleonic) wargame for iPad.

What I notice is that non-wargaming people get confused by the terms "Limbered" and "Unlimbered", even native English speaking people.
Well, I thought that this was the correct word and the internet seems to agree with me, but still... confusion.

So my question is, does anyone know a better word for these two types of "artillery formations?"

I'm thinking of "deployed" but have no clue what the opposite word can be? "Hooked"? That sounds wrong I guess.

If anyone has a good suggestion, that would be much appreciated!
 
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depoyed vs. ready for transport?

But make box somewhere, to click 'wargame language' on.

Limbered/ unlimbered is something that should be obvious from the game itself, though. (no shooting, pretty far movement, vs shooting and (almost) no movement)

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Keep us posted, with screen shots, please!
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Possibly "towed", "hitched", "prepared for transport" for limbered. "Deployed", "emplaced", "prepared to fire" for unlimbered? Or simply transport mode and firing mode?
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"hitched" and "unhitched". I wonder if that's the slang term used by arty men anyway...
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I have never liked "limbered" and "unlimbered". Most wargamers are thinking artillery's primary purpose is for shooting, so having the firing mode be the "un" case seems odd.

"Deployed" and "Undeployed" seems awkward somehow, but at least the direction is better.

"Deployed" and "Mobile", perhaps?
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I would still use the term limbered and unlimbered. It is the proper term and the term used by artillery crews in the 19th century. If someone has the brain power and interest in a historical wargame they're smart enough that you don't need to dumb down the terms for them.
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mrbeankc wrote:
I would still use the term limbered and unlimbered. It is the proper term and the term used by artillery crews in the 19th century. If someone has the brain power and interest in a historical wargame they're smart enough that you don't need to dumb down the terms for them.


The terms are used in more modern games, like Crescendo of Doom and ASL as well. As you note, they are "correct" and well-known, and the term has survived in actual artillery usage into the 20th Century, and hence also by wargamers of 20th century conflicts, too.

If there is an aversion to the word, the honest response is - there shouldn't be. On the other hand, "hooked" would look silly to someone with a background in either the artillery/other wargames/both and would probably wonder why a designer chose that word instead of "limbered."
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Next you'll say people have trouble with 'planed' and 'deplaned'.

Part of the experience in wargaming is perhaps getting into the
military mind. I'm not certain whether this term is that 'correct'
for Napoleonic era however. Deployed & Moving might actually be
more accurate. The ridiculous terms are, to my knowledge, creations
of a slightly later period.
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Pokke wrote:
I'm working on a (Napoleonic) wargame for iPad.

What I notice is that non-wargaming people get confused by the terms "Limbered" and "Unlimbered", even native English speaking people.
Well, I thought that this was the correct word and the internet seems to agree with me, but still... confusion.

So my question is, does anyone know a better word for these two types of "artillery formations?"

I'm thinking of "deployed" but have no clue what the opposite word can be? "Hooked"? That sounds wrong I guess.

If anyone has a good suggestion, that would be much appreciated!


I'd say your usage of the terms limbered/unlimbered are both proper and correct. I learned the terms through playing miniatures as a kid and, once understood, I never mistook the terms for anything else.

Since you're developing a game for the iPad, can't you use the power of the computer and programming to educate players a little bit? Can't you have glossary of game terms that describes the limbered/unlimbered states or have an item you can click or a spot you can mouse-over that explains what what "limbered" and "unlimbered" mean?
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calandale wrote:
Next you'll say people have trouble with 'planed' and 'deplaned'.

Part of the experience in wargaming is perhaps getting into the
military mind. I'm not certain whether this term is that 'correct'
for Napoleonic era however. Deployed & Moving might actually be
more accurate. The ridiculous terms are, to my knowledge, creations
of a slightly later period.


Limbered and unlimbered is the correct term for the period in both Napoleonic Europe and the American Civil War. .
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Wow! I had expected one or two responses over the next few days, but not this many in such a short time!

Thanks folks! Haven't decided yet, but I'll keep you posted!
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MARRIAGE...
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limbered literally means 'capable of moving'.

Move Mode as mentioned above.

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Michael Dorosh wrote:
Atraxrobustus wrote:


MARRIAGE...


"Married Up" would actually be a historically correct term for use in a combined arms game in which two units of differing abilities derived some theoretical benefit from being stacked together/attacking together...


Mine was more along the lines of...

1.Free to actively fire at will engaging any and all targets of opportunity

2.Linked to another with a view to being passively dragged from one location to another..
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For the OP 'Move Mode' and 'Firing Mode' would be good self explanatory terms...
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If I see a game on the Napoleonic era (or 7YW / ACW / AWI) and see words other than "Limbered" and "Unlimbered" for artillery, I would be very confused.
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mrbeankc wrote:
calandale wrote:
Next you'll say people have trouble with 'planed' and 'deplaned'. :P

Part of the experience in wargaming is perhaps getting into the
military mind. I'm not certain whether this term is that 'correct'
for Napoleonic era however. Deployed & Moving might actually be
more accurate. The ridiculous terms are, to my knowledge, creations
of a slightly later period.


Limbered and unlimbered is the correct term for the period in both Napoleonic Europe and the American Civil War. .


Indeed. A brief search attributes it to the revolutionary era (1795).

Anyone know of earlier usage with regard to artillery?
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I've always heard limbered and unlimbered, but how about "can move" "can fire"?
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Pokke wrote:
So my question is, does anyone know a better word for these two types of "artillery formations?"

There isn't a better word for it - limbered and unlimbered are the precise terms. It's a shame people don't have better vocabularies; don't deny them the opportunity to learn a useful word when they play your game.
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Limbered=Somewhat mobile sitting duck
Unlimbered=Immobile, but boy can I hurt you--
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Add my name to the list of people who prefer the accurate terms "Limbered" and "Unlimbered" but would understand how "Move mode" and "Fire mode" would work for the vocabulary challenged.

Is there a waiting list to play test the game somewhere? If not, I am volunteering to be first in line. Note that I understand the use of many Napoleonic terms like "Grognard" "Old Guard", "Young Guard", "Infantry la Pied", etc. and can speak hex (although I did get an FF in French).whistle
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