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This is a spin off another thread where the idea that there may be a concept of having too many Bulge games came up. I can't even imagine that would ever be a problem.

However, it sounded like a good thread of it's own. Which Bulge games do you own? Is there any such thing as too many? Which one is the best? Guess this is an appropo topic considering it is December.

I own:

The Battle of the Bulge
FAB: The Bulge
Ardennes
Wacht Am Rhein
Panzer Grenadier: Elsenborn Ridge
Panzer Grenadier: Battle of the Bulge

and I have Ardennes '44 reprint on preorder.

Ardennes 44 is probably the best overall game. I do love the detail of monsters though and hold WARII in high regard.

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It is probably into the dozens if we include "Scenarios" portraying this aspect inherent within their overall scope. ALSO for Folios and the like. cool
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Right now, only two:

The Battle of the Bulge
Lock 'n Load: Noville – Bastogne's Outpost

Well, the second only covers part of the Bulge. Does that count?
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The Bulge
FAB: The Bulge

You can see I'm really understaffed here! I do however have
Ardennes '44 on pre-order
Bitter Woods (fourth edition) on my wish list
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FAB: The Bulge
Bastogne: Screaming Eagles under Siege
Plus a plethora of ASL Scenarios of course...
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None. It's never been a battle that interested me all that much, as the outcome was never in doubt. I used to have Hitler's Last Gamble, but sold it off after one play or so. I do have Enemy Action: Ardennes on pre-order on the strength of John Butterfield's reputation, and I've got lots of tactical games with scenarios set during the Bulge, but I really don't have any operational games on the subject.

If it didn't happen on the Eastern Front, there's a good chance I don't have it.
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shake I've never been interested in: "The Battle of Leeroy Jenkin's Ear" either; so naturally, then I don't have anything for THAT!
So far, 'moi' espy 3 mentioned that I also have. cool
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seanmac wrote:
None. It's never been a battle that interested me all that much....


Pretty much my feeling about most WWII battles.

I have The Battle of the Bulge, and I think that's it.
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I only have one and only need one: Ardennes 44
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I believe I am the 'inspiration' for this thread! As such, per my earlier remark, and to my best recollection (as I'm currently away from home), I believe I own five 'Bulge' games:

The Battle of the Bulge
The Battle of the Bulge
Battle of the Bulge
Bitter Woods
Axis & Allies: Battle of the Bulge

I've played each of these, save for "BotB '81". I have enjoyed each, though my favorites are the original 1965 AH version, and Bitter Woods. Despite the strategically hopeless situation that was the German 1944 offensive, I find "Bulge" games entertaining as the Germans. In wargaming, as any grog worth his salt knows, it's often more about improving upon the historical performance than 'winning' in an outright manner. I want to see if I can push my panzers across the Meuse, even though I know that at the end of the day, Hitler's strategic objective is impossible to achieve!
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calandale wrote:
seanmac wrote:
None. It's never been a battle that interested me all that much....


Pretty much my feeling about most WWII battles.

I have The Battle of the Bulge, and I think that's it.


Enrico this comment surprises me some coming from you. It's not about winning or losing, but simulating military events. The challenge as the German player to improve on history, or better yet even win the game. The challenge as the Americans against a competent German player to survive the initial onslaught and live to counterattack.

If all we played were the scenarios where the outcome was always in doubt we would be very limited in what we would end up playing. In fact it is in playing games where you have to overcome an overwhelming situation where I get the most satisfaction.

I am a West Front guy when it come's to WW2 and besides the Bulge, I relish the Normandy Campaign games and Operation Market Garden. Guess it just show's even further the divergent tastes found amongst the war game crowd.
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OK. Here goes:

The Battle of the Bulge
The Battle of the Bulge
Battle of the Bulge
Attack in the Ardennes
Tigers in the Mist
Axis & Allies: Battle of the Bulge
Ardennes
Battles for the Ardennes
Bitter Woods (fourth edition)
Ardennes '44
Wave of Terror
FAB: The Bulge

Plus, six during-the-Bulge games:

Bastogne: Screaming Eagles under Siege
Panzer Grenadier: Battle of the Bulge
Panzer Grenadier: Elsenborn Ridge
Panzer Grenadier: Winter Soldiers
ATS: Parker's Crossroads
Bloody 110

In addition, of course, there are Panzer Leader, Squad Leader and Advanced Squad Leader: Starter Kit #3 scenarios.

And, I've ordered the new Ardennes '44 reprint, as well as Band of Brothers: Screaming Eagles.

My three favorites in the first list are Ardennes '44, Bulge '65 and FAB: Bulge, with Bitter Woods 4th Edition getting an honorable mention. The best, in my view, is Ardennes '44.

Except for Wave of Terror, which I cannot yet comment on since I haven't played it, they are all worthy games, however, and on any given day (week) I could happily play any one of them. Even Bulge '91, limited in scope as it is, plays well. Even Axis and Allies Bulge, as unlikely as it is to actually produce a Bulge, is an exciting game.

Among the during-the-Bulge games I really like the SCS game on Bastogne, and Panzer Grenadier: Elsenborn Ridge. Within the next six months, I anticipate, I'll be adding Bloody 110 to the list (I have yet to play it).

What am I missing? Most noticeably, Wacht am Rhein, or one of its reincarnations. I've made desultory efforts to buy it and will continue -- whether I get the original, the Decision Games version II, or the new Decision Games edition about to be produced, remains to be seen. Among the top rated games I'm also missing Iron Tide: Panzers in the Ardennes. For a reason which I can't explain (because I don't know the reason, rather than that I want to keep the reason to myself), I don't have plans to purchase it. Perhaps if I played it once, I would change my mind.

I'm also missing Darkest December: Battle of the Bulge 1944. I got Parker's Crossroads in anticipation of being able to get Darkest December, but just cannot find that game anywhere. But, I'm sure I can cobble together the pieces I need to play Parker's crossroads.

What is most glaringly absent from the Bulge pantheon? Firstly, a tactical level game about the battle raging at the tip of the Bulge. Battles for the Ardennes has a single-map Celles scenario, and I've played it, but it didn't seem to have the depth I would like -- perhaps I just need to play it a few more times. Panzer Leader does have a Celles scenario, and of course, the mysterious and elusive Darkest December is about engagements at the tip of the Bulge. However, I would like to see a Panzer Grenadier treatment, or one by Chris Fasulo (part of the Death Ride system). Speaking of which, off the topic a bit, I would really like to see a Death Ride game on the Battle of Arracourt.

Secondly, I would like to see a grand-tactical game on the full drive by Peiper. Something with a long, narrow map, I imagine. It would be difficult, because the game designer would have to find a happy medium between restricting the game to Peiper's actual drive, while leaving enough options open to make it a game that could be replayed time and again. By its nature the game would exclude the battles for Elsenborn and St. Vith, however, those choke points influenced Peiper's attempted path of advance -- it would be a difficult game to design.

Thirdly, I would like to see a grand-operational, OCS-type monster game covering almost the entire Western Front north of the Vosges. The game would begin in the center, the Ardennes, with the German attack. As it develops, a number of options can be explored. On the German side:

(1) Death to Northwind! The Germans cancel Northwind and throw all remaining reserves into the Ardennes.

(2) The Small Solution: the Germans decide to abandon the race for the Meuse and instead wheel north to cut off the British army (or large parts of it).

(3) Tie and Die: or, of course, they could play out the actual battle and hope to do better than historically.

On the Allied side:

(1) The Revolving Door: while the Germans drive west the Allies help them by retreating to the Meuse. Meanwhile, Patton drives east and swings north. This could end the war in a stroke. It could also backfire massively. The Allies would be giving up their best defensive terrain without fighting for it, hoping to arrest the German at or just beyond the Meuse.

(2) The Double Pincer: Patton drives north and east while the forces at Elsenborn push through the weak German defenses in a drive south and east; the two arms of the pincer planning to meet at Prum.

(3) The Small Solution: or, of course, the Allies could content themselves in responding pretty much the way they actually did.

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I own precisely 0 and like it that way.
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Let's see...I have played a few.




Ardennes


Ardennes '44


The Ardennes Offensive: The Battle of the Bulge, December 1944


Attack in the Ardennes


Autumn Mist: The Battle of the Bulge


Bastogne or Bust (second edition)


Bastogne: Screaming Eagles under Siege


The Battle of the Bulge


Battle of the Bulge


Battles for the Ardennes (SPI)


Battles for the Ardennes (TSR/SPI)


Battles for the Ardennes (DG)



Bitter Woods (fourth edition) (& Expansion)


Bulge


The Bulge


Dark December


Hitler's Last Gamble: The Battle of the Bulge


Iron Tide: Panzers in the Ardennes


Tigers in the Mist


Wacht am Rhein


Wacht Am Rhein


Wave of Terror


That's me talking and making a hand gesture.

I lived a couple years in the combat area that keeps my interest high in this campaign.
50°20' 07.51" N 6°24' 34.06" E
I worked on the Schnee Eifel where the two regiments of the 106th ID were surrounded.
50° 17' 01.35 N 6° 23' 53.67 E

Edit:
Plug those coordinates into Google Earth then zoom out to see the 6th and 5th Panzer Army areas.

Edit 2:
Added Wave of Terror.
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gohrns wrote:
calandale wrote:
seanmac wrote:
None. It's never been a battle that interested me all that much....


Pretty much my feeling about most WWII battles.

I have The Battle of the Bulge, and I think that's it.


Enrico this comment surprises me some coming from you. It's not about winning or losing, but simulating military events.


I think you're keeping the UNquoted parts in your mind - the stuff
I didn't agree with from the person I quoted. I just ain't into
WWII (for the most part). Maybe my expanding OCS (and TCS) collection
will bring me back into being interested (I was before I got into
wargaming). I've NOTHING against unbalanced scenarios.



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I am a West Front guy when it come's to WW2 and besides the Bulge, I relish the Normandy Campaign games and Operation Market Garden. Guess it just show's even further the divergent tastes found amongst the war game crowd.


It does. I don't dislike WWII - in fact I enjoy a few (non-desert/
non-campaign - those are very pleasing to me) that I own. It's just
not my era. Maybe if there were leader counters?
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Battles for the Ardennes
Wave of Terror
Iron Tide: Panzers in the Ardennes
Tigers in the Mist
Bitter Woods (fourth edition)
Bastogne: Screaming Eagles under Siege
FAB: The Bulge

Light but should be included: Axis & Allies: Battle of the Bulge

On Preorder:
Ardennes '44
Wacht Am Rhein
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Ardennes
AH Battle of the Bulge (Smithsonian)
Wave of Terror
One-Page Bulge
Attack in the Ardennes
Bastogne: Screaming Eagles under Siege
AH Battle of the Bulge 81
The Last Blitzkrieg
Kampfgruppe Peiper I: ASL Historical Module 2

Not as impressive as most of the above lists, and I'm also putting some of them on the trade list since I just don't have that much time for them all.
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I've got SCS Ardennes, Hitler's Last Gamble: The Battle of the Bulge and plan to get Wacht Am Rhein

My favorite is Hitlers Last Gamble.
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Wacht am Rhein

Wacht am Rhein II

Ardennes 44

Ardennes

Iron Tide

Wave of Terror

Bastogne:SEuS

...I've owned in the past..

The Ardennes Offensive (GDW)

Dark December (OSG)

Ardennes Offensive (SPI)...the first SPI and second game I ever owned
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FAB: The Bulge
Panzer Grenadier: Elsenborn Ridge
Panzer Grenadier: Battle of the Bulge
Panzer Grenadier: North of Elsenborn
Tigers in the Mist
Autumn Mist: The Battle of the Bulge
Bulge 20 + Bulge 20 Expansion Kit
Attack in the Ardennes
Memoir '44: Winter Wars
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The Battle of the Bulge
One-Page Bulge
Race to the Meuse
Panzer Grenadier: Battle of the Bulge
Panzer Grenadier: Elsenborn Ridge
Memoir '44: Winter Wars
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Dedicated?

Just L2's Bitter Woods (and Expansion)

And, yes, you can have too many Bulge games. shake
 
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My total is: 18 (More than I realized)

Axis & Allies: Battle of the Bulge
The Battle of the Bulge
Darkest December: Battle of the Bulge 1944
Time on Target: The Battle of the Bulge – 50th Anniversary
Euro-Pack II: The Battle of the Bulge
Bastogne: Screaming Eagles under Siege
Ardennes '44
Iron Tide: Panzers in the Ardennes
Battles for the Ardennes
Bitter Woods (fourth edition)
Bitter Woods (fourth edition): Expansion Kit
Wacht Am Rhein (Previously owned)
Wacht Am Rhein
Baraque de Fraiture: The Battle for Parker's Crossroads
ATS: Parker's Crossroads
Kampfgruppe Peiper I: ASL Historical Module 2
Kampfgruppe Peiper II: ASL Historical Module 3
A Dash of Peiper
Memoir '44: Winter Wars

Don't know how you want to count ASL scenarios packs focused on the bulge or expansions. I'm sure in some eyes some of these don't count. I've probably missed a few also.
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calandale wrote:
Wacht Am Rhein

Forgot about this one. Haven't played it yet.


The first one by SPI?...
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Skip, you and autumnweave are both "Da' Man" of Bulge games.
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