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Arthur Dougherty
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Does anyone know if it's possible to buy extra counter sheets for this game or am I required to buy two entire copies of the game in order to play the larger scenarios? I don't mind buying the game and a set of counter sheets, but being required to buy two copies seems a bit much. Thanks.
 
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Chuck Meeks
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You can call Avalanche Press at 1-800-564-9008. They should be able to answer that for you.
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Wulf Corbett
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As a secondary question, has anyone ever figured exactly what counters are needed in addition to one full game? Clearly it isn't two entire games worth of counters...
 
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I am not sure but scenario 32 requires 442 counters and two copies to play and scenario 24 requires 418 and two copies. That is a lot of counters but I don't have the time to sit down and sort out what you would actually need counter-wise. My guess would be quite a few duplicates just based on the numbers alone.
 
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Arthur Dougherty
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Thanks for all the responses. Since Beyond Normandy is one of today's 12 days of Christmas specials, it's only $25 per copy so that probably not much more than ordering a separate set of counters if they were available.
 
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OK, I think this is right... assuming I haven't lost any counters, anyway...

Scenario 24
6x SS HMG
21x SS GREN
3x SSPzIVH (1 in Army)
3x SS StuGIIIG (2 in Army)
1x SS 75mm AT (2 in Army)
1x SPW251
6x truck
2x OBSTNFR
9x OSTFR
3x HPTSTFR

3 full CW Regiments (not every counter, but nearly)
1x Archer
2x 17 pdr
9x M3
3x Bren Carrier
2x Truck
1x LT-COL
6x MAJ
4x CAPT
4x LT

Scenario 32
17x SS GREN
6x SS HMG
1x SS 88mm
1x SS 75mm AT (2 in Army)
1x SS 75/41
1x SS PzIVH (1 in Army)
2x SS PzIVF2
1x SS StuGIIIG (2 in Army)
2x SS StuGIV (1 in Army)
1x SS PzVI
2x SS 81mm (3 in Army)
1x SS 50mm (doesn't exist, use Army)
2x OBSTNFR
5x OSTFR
1x HPTSTSR

3 full CW regiments (not every counter, but nearly)
2x WPN (non-regimental colours)
1x 4,2" mortar
4x Curchill VII
3x Achilles
1x SGT
3x LT-COL
13x LT
4x MAJ
4x CAPT

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Drew Heath
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Wulf Corbett wrote:
As a secondary question, has anyone ever figured exactly what counters are needed in addition to one full game? Clearly it isn't two entire games worth of counters...


I played a Desert Rats scenario that required two sets. As I recall there was a shortage of armor. Most of the OOB was in just one game, but a few specific unit types pushed it over to requiring 2 sets. I was able to cobble together a workable OOB by raiding Afrika Korps and Beyond Normandy.

You really just need to sit down with the OOB for those big scenarios and see what you have vs. what you need... there's no clear note saying what playing with only one counter set will get you, though that'd be nice.

On a related note, you can just buy counter sheets from AP directly rather than an entirely new game.
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Check Desert Rats #47 at Panzer Grenadier Headquarters for an example. I saved my OOB in the Notes section:

Scenario requires two sets of Desert Rats counters OR ownership of
Afrika Korps and Beyond Normandy for unit substitution.
Details are as follows:

GERMANS
need 4 x PzII (have 2), take 2 from Afrika Korps
need 8 x PzIIIG (have 6), take 2 from Afrika Korps

BRITS
need 10 x HMG (have 6), take 4 from Afrika Korps
need 6 x 6pdr (have 4), take 2 from Afrika Korps
need 28 x BREN (have 15), take 13 from Beyond Normandy
need 8 x truck (have 0, all are used as BRENs), take 8 from anywhere
need 25 x Grant (have 11), you can either take 13 Shermans from Beyond Normandy
and downgrade their movement (-2) and AT range (-1),
or you can take 6 Italian Sem. 75/18 from Desert Rats
(identical stats), and then only 7 Shermans from Beyond Normandy

Happy gaming!
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Avalanche often offers counter sets as separate items. And it wouldn't surprise me if they would be willing to sell spare counters, as long as they didn't require them to build full games. I was able to obtain many sets of Great War at Sea Series counter sheets in this way.

I have just about decided to combine all of my PG games together into one mega-set, and just keep the various nationalities separated. I could probably cut the number of boxes I'd need by more that half. cool

My big decision now is zip-locks or Plano boxes. Does Plano make a box that will fit inside a standard PG box?
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