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Let's play "Cut the U.S. Military Budget."
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I cut $1449 billion!
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mightygodking wrote:


I got to almost a trillion. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/01/02/us/you-cut-the...
 
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Interesting...

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/01/02/us/you-cut-the...

 
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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/01/02/us/you-cut-the...

I cut deep. The knifeman cometh. 1 Trillion Even.
 
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$848M

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/01/02/us/you-cut-the...
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$806 Billion for me.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/01/02/us/you-cut-the...

I just couldn't bring myself to cut the Osprey, though I feel like I should. I also have a hard time replacing active-duty with civilians. It doesn't feel right.
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$1,135,000,000. Most of it in personnel and toys we don't really need.
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I am the cost-cutting champion!
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quozl wrote:
I am the cost-cutting champion!


First thing I had to do was check to see if you just cut the maximum from everything possible. Of course you did.
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The Message wrote:
quozl wrote:
I am the cost-cutting champion!


First thing I had to do was check to see if you just cut the maximum from everything possible. Of course you did.


Yes, unlike others around here, I am serious about cutting government spending.

Vote for me as the next president!
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$990,000,000,000. Couldn't quite hit that Trillion dollar sweet spot.
 
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quozl wrote:
I am the cost-cutting champion!

You're really good at clicking a mouse.
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The fun thing is I only cut $641 billion and thought that was quite prudent. Some of the cuts - the civilian worker ones in particular - would probably end up costing money due to contractor payments replacing them.
 
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mightygodking wrote:
Some of the cuts - the civilian worker ones in particular - would probably end up costing money due to contractor payments replacing them.


You just don't get how this cutting thing works. No replacements!
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Now the fun part would be-

5 Crises come and hit the US all at once- How do we do after all the cuts?



Easy to make cuts in the military. Much harder to make cuts and replace it with a doctrine that will work against future enemies.

One is reminded of Harry Truman after WWII, and the failures of the US military in the early days of the Korean Conflict. In the age of the Atom Bomb and the B-52, conventional armies were only suppossed to come in and mop up......


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I think we'll do OK cutting our personnel by 35 percent considering we spend more than double than everyone else does on the military.
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Darilian wrote:
Now the fun part would be-

5 Crises come and hit the US all at once- How do we do after all the cuts?



Easy to make cuts in the military. Much harder to make cuts and replace it with a doctrine that will work against future enemies.

One is reminded of Harry Truman after WWII, and the failures of the US military in the early days of the Korean Conflict. In the age of the Atom Bomb and the B-52, conventional armies were only suppossed to come in and mop up......


Darilian


I have to say that it would be easy to play the game, but it would much much harder if I was the one actually making the decisions, realizing that it could leave us open to disaster.
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Darilian wrote:
Now the fun part would be-

5 Crises come and hit the US all at once- How do we do after all the cuts?

Easy to make cuts in the military. Much harder to make cuts and replace it with a doctrine that will work against future enemies.


Here you go:

http://www.defense.gov/news/Defense_Strategic_Guidance.pdf

It is also easy to just keep throwing money at defense, hoping that it makes you safe.
 
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I must be a hawk because my plan only cut, $555 billion.
 
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I was only able to come up with $500 billion.

Too many of the cutting options either hit military personnel hard, or cut long terms investment in contingencies. If China is waxing and oil is waning then we have to be prepared. I still see this century a bit like an analog of the beginning of the 20th century. Resources are tightening up and there is going to be a massive conflict, likely in Asia. We have to have the capacity to respond nimbly which means lots of ships, planes and professional personnel.
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rshipley wrote:
Darilian wrote:
Now the fun part would be-

5 Crises come and hit the US all at once- How do we do after all the cuts?

Easy to make cuts in the military. Much harder to make cuts and replace it with a doctrine that will work against future enemies.


Here you go:

http://www.defense.gov/news/Defense_Strategic_Guidance.pdf

It is also easy to just keep throwing money at defense, hoping that it makes you safe.


Never said that.

What I said is that cutting for the sake is not enough.

We have to come up with a new doctrine and strategy. It doesn't matter how much we cut if we continue to spend bunch of money for M1 tanks, but never USING the silly things, while we allow Special Forces units to languish.

What is lacking in this desire to just cut is a clear conception of what types of missions our political leadership will want to use our military forces FOR. Are we going to continue to prepare to fight two major land wars simultaneously? Or are we going to focus upon continual anti-terrorist operations on a global scale, but only have the forces to fight one major land war? What about piracy? Are we going to scale up the role of the US Navy in global anti-piracy actions, or are we going to try and farm this off to our allies?

Its easy to say that there is a lot of money that should be cut. Its quite a different thing to say, ok, NOW here is what we're going to spend it on.

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Just over a trillion, while retaining Jared's benefits.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/01/02/us/you-cut-the...
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Darilian wrote:
Its easy to say that there is a lot of money that should be cut. Its quite a different thing to say, ok, NOW here is what we're going to spend it on.

Darilian


You just don't get how this cutting thing works. No spending the money that we just saved by cutting!
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Darilian wrote:
We have to come up with a new doctrine and strategy.


I know. I linked to our new one (or at least the outline of it).
 
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