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"That is so gay!"
"That is so lame!"
"That is so retarded!"

We can not say these things in society anymore. We have realized that it is insensitive and damaging to say them. But what can we say?

I am stumped.

Saying "That is so nazi!" or "That is so pedo!" does not work either. Bringing up Nazis or pedophilia can upset victims and trivializes the abuses. This would apply to any class of individuals that do harm to others.

This is a problem because demonizing a class of individuals is a powerful and visceral use of analogy. Our brains are wired to respond to it very well.

There needs to be some class of individuals that (1) no one is actually a part of, and (2) are deemed weak and ineffectual.

The only thing I can think of would be cave men/neanderthals, just like in the Geico commercials. While they fit both 1 and 2 above, the whole point of making the analogy is to viscerally make people think "that is indeed weak and ineffectual and I do not wish to be like those people and be excluded from the group."

Neanderthals do not have much punch because no one can really be like them because they no longer exist.

Aside from being mature and not using this figure of speech, which of course is the correct answer, is there any class of individuals that we can use as a source of social exclusion and be guilt free while doing it?

In moments of frustration I want to be able to belt out that I think something "is so x!" and know that from now till the end of time I was not showing any moral blind spot for making the analogy.
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“This is so satanic”
"This is so banker"
"This is so athiest"
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I think we should demonize social conservatives by saying "that is so BJ!" because BJ already thinks that social conservatives are demonized, and he feels inordinately threatened when people keep finding ways to make the Republican presidential hopefuls look like the lame assholes that most of them clearly are. Herman Cain couldn't use the English language with enough precision to order a pizza, Rick Santorum can't stumble over a prepared sound bite without sounding like a closet racist, Michele Bachmann can't do anything without her husband's arm inserted all the way up her intestinal tract for better control--the list goes on and sadly on. What was Obama's biggest drawback as a candidate? His parents didn't observe the "no interracial commingling" sign. Well, that plus a few paltry items like, "he isn't American!" and, "he's friends with a militant terrorist outlaw!!!"
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Ahhh "thats so teaparty"
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"That is so RSPed"
"That is so moderated"
"That is so chitchatted"
"That is so banhammered"


When did we stop being allowed to same lame?
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Insulting intelligence would likely work as long as the word doesn't apply to handicapped people.

Moronic, Idiotic, Asinine, Dumb, Imbecile, Stupid, Witless.

The nouns would be:
Moron, Idiot, Ass / Asshole, Dumbass, Imbecile, Ignoramus, Simpleton, Dimwit.

Direct adjectives (You are...):
thick, boneheaded, brainless, dense, dim-witted, dumb, ignorant, obtuse.

Just add fuck, fucking, or fucker to increase the harshness.
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MusedFable wrote:
Insulting intelligence would likely work as long as the word doesn't apply to handicapped people.

Moronic, Idiotic, Asinine, Dumb, Imbecile, Stupid, Witless.

The nouns would be:
Moron, Idiot, Ass / Asshole, Dumbass, Imbecile, Ignoramus, Simpleton, Dimwit.

Direct adjectives (You are...):
thick, boneheaded, brainless, dense, dim-witted, dumb, ignorant, obtuse.

Just add fuck, fucking, or fucker to increase the harshness.


"Thats so fucking teaparty"?
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MisterCranky wrote:
I think we should demonize social conservatives by saying "that is so BJ!" because BJ already thinks that social conservatives are demonized

Hey guys, have you googled BJ?! Apparently some liberals hate him so much that they named a disgusting sex act after him. Those crazy liberals, always oppressing conservatives!
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Just had an idea how about
“that is so rubbish” or “that is so stupid” or “that is so useless”? Why do we need to demonise someone, we can say something is utter toss without demonising anyone (of there’s another ”that is total toss”).
 
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Dan Savage wrote:
That's Leotarded

Stop using the word "retarded" as an insult, Dan. I know it can be hard to break a verbal habit, but make an effort. Perhaps you should have a "retard jar" that you put a dollar in every time you use the word. When the jar is full, send the money to the Special Olympics.

Whatever you do, though, try to remember that you have lots of listeners and readers who have loved ones with mental disabilities, and we don't want to hear you misuse the word "retarded." Please don't tell me to read or listen to other people if I don't like what I hear. I want to read your column and listen to your podcast, but without the put-downs directed at people with mental disabilities.

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I'm going to turn over a new leaf, TROS, and make a conscious, conscientious effort to break myself of the bad habit of using the word "retard." But I don't think the "retard jar" is for me. Instead, I'm going to use a substitution for the word. From now on, instead of saying "retard" or "that's so retarded," I'm going to say "leotard" and "that's so leotarded." I won't be mocking the mentally challenged, just the physically gifted. I will pick on the strong—and the limber—and not the weak.
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We should demonize cuddle parties. http://www.cuddleparty.com/
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colleens wrote:
We should demonize cuddle parties. http://www.cuddleparty.com/


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I've never heard of anyone getting offended by "lame", but I guess anything is possible.
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WallyNate wrote:
MisterCranky wrote:
I think we should demonize social conservatives by saying "that is so BJ!" because BJ already thinks that social conservatives are demonized

Hey guys, have you googled BJ?! Apparently some liberals hate him so much that they named a disgusting sex act after him. Those crazy liberals, always oppressing conservatives!


What's so disgusting about a BJ? I love receiving one.
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"That's so gamer!"?
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"That is so copyrighted!"
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Lapppi wrote:
"That is so copyrighted!"


"thats so Games Workshop"
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Retarded is a word that has a meaning that can be applied to an idea. I see nothing offensive about it and will continue to use it with anyone that hasn't expressed their offense to me.

Same goes for lame and dumb.

Gay, on the other hand, does not apply to ideas or accurately describe them (unless they are literally promoting gayness), and thus is not something I would use to describe an idea I don't like. Similarly 'jew' or it's derivatives. It's only purpose is to disparage gayness (or Jewishness in the case of jew).

Also, I will continue to use the description 'mentally retarded' to describe people who are retarded mentally. It's an apt description.

I refuse to play the game where people get offended when other people use words that have clear and appropriate meanings. Any word can be said with a certain tone of voice that implies disparagement or mockery. That tone of voice is what I try to avoid, rather than particular words that have been hijacked by seekers to give offense and those who take the bait.
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ejmowrer wrote:
Retarded is a word that has a meaning that can be applied to an idea. I see nothing offensive about it and will continue to use it with anyone that hasn't expressed their offense to me.

Same goes for lame and dumb.

Gay, on the other hand, does not apply to ideas or accurately describe them (unless they are literally promoting gayness), and thus is not something I would use to describe an idea I don't like. Similarly 'jew' or it's derivatives. It's only purpose is to disparage gayness (or Jewishness in the case of jew).

Also, I will continue to use the description 'mentally retarded' to describe people who are retarded mentally. It's an apt description.

I refuse to play the game where people get offended when other people use words that have clear and appropriate meanings. Any word can be said with a certain tone of voice that implies disparagement or mockery. That tone of voice is what I try to avoid, rather than particular words that have been hijacked by seekers to give offense and those who take the bait.


Retarded can only apply to an idea were that idea is delayed, if its used in any context other then the idea of delay it referanaces the mental illness. Thus an idea cannot be retarded, only the person saying it can be as ideas cannot suffer from mental illness.
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This thread unfairly demonizes demons.
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sepulchre wrote:
We can not say these things in society anymore.


You can say them ... but like it is said it's better to keep quiet and have people think you stupid, than to talk and confirm it.
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slatersteven wrote:
ejmowrer wrote:
Retarded is a word that has a meaning that can be applied to an idea. I see nothing offensive about it and will continue to use it with anyone that hasn't expressed their offense to me.

Same goes for lame and dumb.

Gay, on the other hand, does not apply to ideas or accurately describe them (unless they are literally promoting gayness), and thus is not something I would use to describe an idea I don't like. Similarly 'jew' or it's derivatives. It's only purpose is to disparage gayness (or Jewishness in the case of jew).

Also, I will continue to use the description 'mentally retarded' to describe people who are retarded mentally. It's an apt description.

I refuse to play the game where people get offended when other people use words that have clear and appropriate meanings. Any word can be said with a certain tone of voice that implies disparagement or mockery. That tone of voice is what I try to avoid, rather than particular words that have been hijacked by seekers to give offense and those who take the bait.


Retarded can only apply to an idea were that idea is delayed, if its used in any context other then the idea of delay it referanaces the mental illness. Thus an idea cannot be retarded, only the person saying it can be as ideas cannot suffer from mental illness.


"My good sir, have your mental processes slowed? That display could only be indicative of a retarded mind. Drink some coffee."

Seems to work fine to me.
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All this newfangled business of demonizing people with words! What's wrong with the old-fashioned way... scratching 'em with your claws and magically sealing all the exits?

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The Message wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
ejmowrer wrote:
Retarded is a word that has a meaning that can be applied to an idea. I see nothing offensive about it and will continue to use it with anyone that hasn't expressed their offense to me.

Same goes for lame and dumb.

Gay, on the other hand, does not apply to ideas or accurately describe them (unless they are literally promoting gayness), and thus is not something I would use to describe an idea I don't like. Similarly 'jew' or it's derivatives. It's only purpose is to disparage gayness (or Jewishness in the case of jew).

Also, I will continue to use the description 'mentally retarded' to describe people who are retarded mentally. It's an apt description.

I refuse to play the game where people get offended when other people use words that have clear and appropriate meanings. Any word can be said with a certain tone of voice that implies disparagement or mockery. That tone of voice is what I try to avoid, rather than particular words that have been hijacked by seekers to give offense and those who take the bait.


Retarded can only apply to an idea were that idea is delayed, if its used in any context other then the idea of delay it referanaces the mental illness. Thus an idea cannot be retarded, only the person saying it can be as ideas cannot suffer from mental illness.


"My good sir, have your mental processes slowed? That display could only be indicative of a retarded mind. Drink some coffee."

Seems to work fine to me.


Exactly, its the mind that has retarded, not the idea. So saying that an idea is retarded is like saying its crippled or black.
 
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slatersteven wrote:
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slatersteven wrote:
ejmowrer wrote:
Retarded is a word that has a meaning that can be applied to an idea. I see nothing offensive about it and will continue to use it with anyone that hasn't expressed their offense to me.

Same goes for lame and dumb.

Gay, on the other hand, does not apply to ideas or accurately describe them (unless they are literally promoting gayness), and thus is not something I would use to describe an idea I don't like. Similarly 'jew' or it's derivatives. It's only purpose is to disparage gayness (or Jewishness in the case of jew).

Also, I will continue to use the description 'mentally retarded' to describe people who are retarded mentally. It's an apt description.

I refuse to play the game where people get offended when other people use words that have clear and appropriate meanings. Any word can be said with a certain tone of voice that implies disparagement or mockery. That tone of voice is what I try to avoid, rather than particular words that have been hijacked by seekers to give offense and those who take the bait.


Retarded can only apply to an idea were that idea is delayed, if its used in any context other then the idea of delay it referanaces the mental illness. Thus an idea cannot be retarded, only the person saying it can be as ideas cannot suffer from mental illness.


"My good sir, have your mental processes slowed? That display could only be indicative of a retarded mind. Drink some coffee."

Seems to work fine to me.


Exactly, its the mind that has retarded, not the idea. So saying that an idea is retarded is like saying its crippled or black.


No, it's not.
 
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