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After some years of playing tactical wargames, the last weeks I feel the itch to zoom out to a larger scale. I was thinking of getting a game that depicts the whole eastern front, if possible from Barbarossa Campaign to the Battle of Berlin. The prequisitions are:

1. Depiction of the whole eastern front, not just a campaign there.
2. A decent solo capability, since I always play alone. I don't care if the game is designed to be solitaire per se, but I care about being solo friendly.
3. The game should be complex enough to give the feel of the eastern front. I am interested in realism and historical accuracy.

Any ideas?

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Trial of Strength - Out of print but the best of the bunch.
EastFront II- best of the block games
No Retreat! The Russian Front- Newly released and very popular
Barbarossa: The Russo-German War, 1941-45- hard to find OOP but a very good game
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No Retreat! and EastFront have some solitaire issues, what with cards and blocks. You might want to look at Proud Monster Deluxe and The Barbarossa Campaign, the latter of which is designed for solitaire play. It's not as detailed as the others. I haven't seen the perfect solitaire-able East Front game yet, personally, but I haven't turned over all the rocks.
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alfredhw wrote:
No Retreat! and EastFront have some solitaire issues, what with cards and blocks. You might want to look at Proud Monster Deluxe and The Barbarossa Campaign, the latter of which is designed for solitaire play. It's not as detailed as the others. I haven't seen the perfect solitaire-able East Front game yet, personally, but I haven't turned over all the rocks.


No Retreat! Solitaire free PnP when you buy No Retreat! The Russian Front.


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You're all crazy. The best take at the scale / complexity mentioned remains: The Russian Campaign

As an added bonus, and of special interest for our fiscally austere Greek friend, copies can be found for very reasonable prices.
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I would highly, highly recommend No Retreat for the campaign. If you want to concentrate on Barbarossa, I would look at ATO's Four Roads to Moscow, and to Fury in the East.
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Proud Monster Deluxe was not mentioned because it doesn't meet the OPs criteria. It ends in 1944, same with several others
Scorched Earth
Red Star Rising: The War in Russia, 1941-1944
Russian Front- there is a DtP expansion that takes this into 1945

As far as The Russian Campaign is concerned, have at it but its really dated. A nostalgia favorite.
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bartman347 wrote:
alfredhw wrote:
No Retreat! and EastFront have some solitaire issues, what with cards and blocks. You might want to look at Proud Monster Deluxe and The Barbarossa Campaign, the latter of which is designed for solitaire play. It's not as detailed as the others. I haven't seen the perfect solitaire-able East Front game yet, personally, but I haven't turned over all the rocks.


No Retreat! Solitaire free PnP when you buy No Retreat! The Russian Front.




Completely forgot about it. I retract the statement.
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billyboy wrote:
Proud Monster Deluxe was not mentioned because it doesn't meet the OPs criteria. It ends in 1944, same with several others
Scorched Earth
Red Star Rising: The War in Russia, 1941-1944
Russian Front- there is a DtP expansion that takes this into 1945

As far as The Russian Campaign is concerned, have at it but its really dated. A nostalgia favorite.




Nostalgia? Just because we both have copies we purchased in the 70's?

Seriously though, when it comes to "bang for the buck" in terms of rules overhead, The Russian Campaign is tough to beat. It portrays the East Front at a slightly lower scale than No Retreat, which in my opinion allows it to capture the wheeling maneuver of the theater better. Does it have historical issues if played by sharks, sure, what game doesn't?

I think East Front is a good option. I don't like it personally, but others do. However, it isn't cheap and it won't be easily acquired in Greece.

As for the other games you mention , they're all good, but have more rules overhead or don't cover the entire span of the war in the East.

Just my 2 cents at any rate.
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You, guys, are very quick! Thank you all for your suggestions

Of course I will buy Case Blue. Twice.

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Fire in the East and Scorched Earth (or their earlier incarnations Drang Nach Osten! and Unentschieden). No sense in pussy footing around.

You'll need to roll your own 1945, but after the bazillion hours you've taken to get that far you'll find that part pretty easy. Ah, my misspent youth.
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The only game of this scale that I would consider buying myself is East Front 2 from Columbia games. Unfortunately, it's not cheap, and it is a block game, so not so good for a solitaire gamer like Michalis.

There is a great computer option, though, War in the East from Matrix Games, 2by3. It can be purchased and downloaded over the internet, so Michalis could start playing solitaire immediately!
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I haven't played a bunch of East Front games, but Proud Monster Deluxe was very fun. Playable solo and in print. It's 4 maps though so space may be a problem.

East Front II may rely too heavily on hidden info to be played well solo as it's a block game.
 
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I've heard good things about War Without Mercy which was recently reprinted and is somewhere between Proud monster and No retreat with regards to size and length of play.

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EastFront II (Columbia) is my all time favorite. I feel it captures, better than any other I've tried, the logistical issues faced by the Germans. You can play solitaire if you're willing to just turn the blocks face up and pretend it's a regular hex and counter game.

No Retreat! The Russian Front (GMT) is a new favorite. The No Retreat! Solitaire (VPG) rules let you play solitaire as the Germans until you get to a winning point, after which you switch sides (!!) and have to save the situation as the Russians. Very clever. Very devious.

Another option is to get whatever eastern front game you like to play with other opponents and get a copy of The Barbarossa Campaign (VPG) for solitaire.
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I'm sorry, I won't flame here, but No Retreat as an suggestion to what the OP wrote, seems a bit odd to me. I played NR a few times last year and was very dissapointed. It looks more and more gamey to me.

My suggestions would follow those from some above:
Fire in the East + Scorched Earth
War of Mercy
Russian Campaign
Russia Besieged


And my all-time-(nostalgia) classic
War In The East (Second Edition), simple rules, a size worth the topic
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Maybe work your way through this list:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/22938/wwii-eastern-fro...

 
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Quote:
I've heard good things about War Without Mercy which was recently reprinted and is somewhere between Proud monster and No retreat with regards to size and length of play.

+1

Played it and liked it.
 
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billyboy wrote:
Trial of Strength - Out of print but the best of the bunch.
EastFront II- best of the block games
No Retreat! The Russian Front- Newly released and very popular
Barbarossa: The Russo-German War, 1941-45- hard to find OOP but a very good game


I got Trial of Strength at a fair price from second hand market and I think it still. Barbarossa has been reprinted by Decision Games in magazine format and that should be stil available. So all is not lost at all.
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Just because EastFront uses blocks doesn't mean it suffers in terms of solitaire playability more than any other game. Hidden unit strengths are not the essence of the game, only an aspect of it. And if you play from opposite sides of the table, you often will forget the precise composition of the other side's blocks anyway.

I agree with those who say The Russian Campaign is dated.
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I recommend Stalin's War.
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