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My friends and I were discussing best generals in history, quickly realizing thats comparing apples to car batteries we started constructing historically unspecific scenarios to avoid garbage like deciding how Shaka would've used air power. So, one of the better ones:

"Land units must make an amphibious landing and take a small heavily fortified island, quality of units for both sides is comparable however the defender has twice as many."

Assume the commander you pick is in the era he/she is accustomed too. Whomever you choose doesn't necessarily need to have done the above feat but that would certainly bolster their credentials.

So who would you pick?
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I'd have to go with Achilles, or some other super-human demi god.

Accepting the equal quality units stipulation; it would be an impossible situation to game without imposing serious stupidity rules on the defender.
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Michael Dorosh wrote:
I'd be more concerned about having seasoned assault troops with decent equipment, since the battle would be in their hands.

"Rangers, lead the way."

How much influence did the generals have at Tarawa, Iwo Jima, Omaha Beach, etc., after the troops left the boats?

Remember I said the force quality would be comparable, so those Rangers would face twice their number in Fallschirmjäger or some such.
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Well Yoda ofcourse.
With a decent number of Clone troopers, casue when push comes to shove, I will go Jedi on their asses.

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Caesar did it against the Britons,
with a little help from the standard bearer of the 10th legion who jumped in first, shouting:
"Leap, fellow soldiers, unless you wish to betray your eagle to the enemy.
I, for my part, will perform my duty to the republic and to my general."
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The rule of thumb is that if you want an operational maneuver, get a German to do it.

My default answer is always Manstein.
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Sitnam wrote:
"Land units must make an amphibious landing and take a small heavily fortified island, quality of units for both sides is comparable however the defender has twice as many."


Given this setup, the commander I'd pick would be the one who would tell his superiors, "Don't. This is a bad idea. Blockade and starve them out." The defenders are outnumbered, facing an entrenched defense, and have to cross a ton of open ground. That's a losing proposition.
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robbbbbb wrote:
Sitnam wrote:
"Land units must make an amphibious landing and take a small heavily fortified island, quality of units for both sides is comparable however the defender has twice as many."


Given this setup, the commander I'd pick would be the one who would tell his superiors, "Don't. This is a bad idea. Blockade and starve them out." The defenders are outnumbered, facing an entrenched defense, and have to cross a ton of open ground. That's a losing proposition.

Henry Morgan did it more than once....
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I'd rather be able to pick the enemy commander.
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Nathan Bedford Forrest, get there "Firstest with the Mostest"
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sullafelix wrote:
Caesar did it against the Britons,
with a little help from the standard bearer of the 10th legion who jumped in first, shouting:
"Leap, fellow soldiers, unless you wish to betray your eagle to the enemy.
I, for my part, will perform my duty to the republic and to my general."


How did he get that all out of his mouth without an enemy axe/sword/arrow to the head?
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Sitnam wrote:

"Land units must make an amphibious landing and take a small heavily fortified island, quality of units for both sides is comparable however the defender has twice as many."
So who would you pick?


Dwight D. Eisenhower.

He succeeded last time.
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delp1871 wrote:
sullafelix wrote:
Caesar did it against the Britons,
with a little help from the standard bearer of the 10th legion who jumped in first, shouting:
"Leap, fellow soldiers, unless you wish to betray your eagle to the enemy.
I, for my part, will perform my duty to the republic and to my general."


How did he get that all out of his mouth without an enemy axe/sword/arrow to the head?
That's what Caesar reports.
I think it was more like: "Who the %&*# pushed me?!"
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The original poster's nominated situation reminds me of the famous story about the young British officer when given a lengthy description of a particularly sticky situation by his instructor is then invited to provide the very first order that he would give...

Student Officer..."Sergeant-major, front and centre!"

Instructor..."Correct!"..


..or something like that..
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Michael Dorosh wrote:
Mallet wrote:


Dwight D. Eisenhower.

He succeeded last time.


Big deal. Look who he was up against.


Monty??
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Alexander - he isn't called the "the Great" for nothing.
Read up on the siege of Tyre.
Problem: how do you capture an island city.
Solution: make it a peninsula instead.

Of course assembling your own fleet, outfitting them with battering rams and catapults didn't hurt either.

Lesson learned by the Tyrians after 8,000 dead and 30,000 sold into slavery. When somebody named Alexander asks to make a sacrifice in your temple - Say no problem - Do not throw his messengers from the city walls.
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Thomas Cochrane pulled off a stunt quite similar to the one described by the PO, in Chile, 1818.

Leading 350 Chilean rebels he took the fortified city of Valdivia, held by 1600 Spanish regulars and reputedly the strongest fortification in South America, after landing in open boats.

The Spaniards were low on morale and one might argue that they were not equal to the rebels in terms of quality. On the other hand it was said that the reason they were demoralized was that they thought Cochrane was a devil, impossible to defeat.

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Sitnam wrote:
My friends and I were discussing best generals in history, quickly realizing thats comparing apples to car batteries we started constructing historically unspecific scenarios to avoid garbage like deciding how Shaka would've used air power. So, one of the better ones:

"Land units must make an amphibious landing and take a small heavily fortified island, quality of units for both sides is comparable however the defender has twice as many."


Cleon.
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Frederick the Great...

"Dogs! Do you want to live forever!?"
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Hadik wrote:
Frederick the Great...

"Dogs! Do you want to live forever!?"
Yes, please!
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William 'Uncle Billy' Tecumseh Sherman. Marched 60,000 men 650 miles in about 100 days, captured 3 State capitols. Marched through the piney forests of Georgia without supplies, battled through the swamps of South Carolina and put tremendous pressure on Lee's southern flank all the with the loss of about 600 men. Few generals were more admired by their men and kept their opponents more in the dark.
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