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Ah, BJ--you master of understatement, you!
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Well, a lot worse than this happens in and after combat, and that includes every war ever fought, including the so-called "Good War" of World War Two. I'm not defending it, but it's reality. I won't judge, because while I served in the Army, I was never in combat, so I'm not sure what I might do if I've been in a bunch of firefights, lost friends, nearly gotten killed myself, and now just captured or killed some of the assholes who just killed by buddy and almost killed me.

My only question - who in that unit thought that taking pictures was a good idea?
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desertfox2004 wrote:
My only question - who in that unit thought that taking pictures was a good idea?


The one that pee'd on himself b/c he was holding the camera...
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Also, I don't think there's anything really wrong with peeing on a corpse, as long as friends and family of the deceased don't find out about it.
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Thank goodness it wasn't a number 2.
 
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Don't you just know that this is just going to provide fresh propaganda fodder for all the Taliban and Al Qaeda websites which, with all the other past embarrassing photographs of the abused prisoners of the Iraqi prisons that they already carry, will help them recruit new converts to drive the "Crusaders" out of the Middle East.

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I always think the TV version of that has the best lines cut out:


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MyTwoCents wrote:

Which is exactly why there's nothing honorable about CHOOSING to be a combat soldier.


I don't think that people who make the choice are making an informed choice. No one can imagine how REAL combat rewires your brain. They are fed the glorious version of heroic combat that makes you a real man. What they don't realize is that combat changes you forever, sometimes for the very worse. As such, the reasons they choose to be a combat soldier may very well be honorable, but they don't realize that who they might become is less than honorable.

Sometimes this negative behavior is a result of personality type and sometimes it is from poor leadership. Obviously the superiors of soldiers who act like this should be disciplined as they have not properly controlled the negative consequences of combat on their soldiers and as such have compromised the general mission. You can rationalize all day that combat soldiers will do bad things, but as their superior you have to control these things just like you would control any other battlefield variable in order to insure success of the mission. The damage done by acts like this can be catastrophic in the bigger picture. What irks me is sometimes there is a "boys will be boys" attitude about acts like this that can be very shortsighted. If you are going to claim to be a Professional military, than make sure you act like one.
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"I'm increasingly uncomfortable with our place in the narrative structure of this war."

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"I'm increasingly uncomfortable with our place in the narrative structure of this war."



That to me is the line that makes the sketch really brilliant
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When you train your military to think of the enemy a targets, not humans, these events will happen.
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Another disgraceful one of soldiers having fun at the expense of a dog.

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I've seen a frat boy piss on a homeless guy once downtown. And I've seen a family member shoot a dog for fun.

Assholism is universal. I can find an asshole like these in every walk of life. The military is not immune. You can't train assholism out of a person.
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I've seen a frat boy piss on a homeless guy once downtown. And I've seen a family member shoot a dog for fun.

Assholism is universal. I can find an asshole like these in every walk of life. The military is not immune. You can't train assholism out of a person.


Perhaps not, but the nice thing about the military in that regard is that it can penalize the hell out of it. Fortunately Mark Harmon and team are on the job!
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Heroes make sure that they give it a little shake at the end to be totally sure.
 
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When you train your military to think of the enemy a targets, not humans, these events will happen.
By now many enlisted have grown up in a life full of war. If you imagine the average soldier/airman/marine to be at most 24, we have been a war with the Middle East since before they hit puberty.

Heck for them it is probably normal to be molested at airports or constantly taped.
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MWChapel wrote:
I've seen a frat boy piss on a homeless guy once downtown. And I've seen a family member shoot a dog for fun.

Assholism is universal.

I can find an asshole like these in every walk of life. The military is not immune. You can't train assholism out of a person.

Since U.S. soldiers also serve as unofficial U.S. embassadors of goodwill in the areas of occupation that they're protecting, we can ill afford to have assholes direly compromising the image of the United States.

Best to remove and prosecute with all due diligence the bad apples lest their ignoble exploits and influence taint the whole barrel.

And by the way, Asshole-ism is NOT universal as the ABC series "What Would YOU Do?" proves with flying colors in showing people's true colors.






Moreover, me myself, I'm the type of person who wouldn't hesitate to intervene if I saw a frat boy pissing on a homeless guy. I also wouldn't hesitate to intervene to try to prevent a family member or anybody else from shooting a dog for fun.

And I can say this not only as a pledge of what I would do in such scenarios but also from experience from what I actually have done in some similar situations.

As those time-honored sayings go: Silence is assent, and Evil triumphs when good men stand by without venturing to offer even any meaningful opposition to it.

 
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The only real issue here is who the FUCK took pictures of this crap and then put it on the Internet?

Stuff like this happens all the time in war. Yes, its not pleasant, but this is really mild stuff compared to US Marines taking Japanese ears and fingers after battles.

The issue is that someone thought that this was soooo cool that they just HAD to put it on the internet. Rather, someone- either a corporal, or a sergeant, or their Lieutenant, should have stepped in, and said "Ok, guys, that's enough" and imposed discipline.

And as for the guy who took the film?

He's the only one who should face a Courts Martial for breaking military secrecy about ongoing actions.

But for those out to make this as the next Abu-Ghraib...this is a totally isolated and stupid incident. The only things these Marines are really guilty of is surviving a firefight and being dicks afterward.

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Darilian wrote:
The only real issue here is who the FUCK took pictures of this crap and then put it on the Internet?

USA Today reported Wednesday that it is unknown who filmed the video, but it appears it was first uploaded to YouTube by a user identified as "semperfiLoneVoice." Since "Semper Fi" (a contraction of the Latin phrase "semper fidelis") is the Marine Corps' motto and translates in English to "always faithful", it would appear that the poster was a Marine himself and a morally-outraged whistleblower who felt that his superiors had not taken the matter seriously and that public disclosure of the matter was the only other route left to him.

More often than not, though, the perpetrators of such exploits video/film themselves in order to share it privately with friends and family. I would guess it was later shared by one of the friends of the Marines who sent it on to others.


Darilian wrote:
Stuff like this happens all the time in war. Yes, its not pleasant, but this is really mild stuff compared to US Marines taking Japanese ears and fingers after battles."

Do you honestly think if we had the Internet in World War II that our military would have tolerated similar whistle-blown-reported incidents of soldiers being filmed cutting off the ears of enemy soldiers' and showing off their treasure trove of ear necklaces?


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The issue is that someone thought that this was soooo cool that they just HAD to put it on the internet.

On the contrary, I believe it was because the Marine viewer of that footage who eventually posted it to the Internet got rather hot under the collar about it and posted it to voice his volcanic outrage about it.


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Rather, someone- either a corporal, or a sergeant, or their Lieutenant, should have stepped in, and said "Ok, guys, that's enough" and imposed discipline.

We don't yet know whether there was even a superior officer present to do that.


Darilian wrote:
And as for the guy who took the film?

He's the only one who should face a Courts Martial for breaking military secrecy about ongoing actions.

Nonsense! Our nation's ongoing actions sanctioned for the field of battle do NOT include urinating OR desecrating the bodies of the enemy dead.


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But for those out to make this as the next Abu-Ghraib...this is a totally isolated and stupid incident.

You seem to forget that some six months before the disclosure of the Abu-Ghraib scandal that there had been other similar-whistle-blown incidents involving British soldiers. So, while I would certainly hope such incidents were isolated, the recent court cases involving American soldiers who knowingly and deliberately killed unarmed non-provocative civilians suggests that it remains to be seen whether the incidence of these sort of direly embarrassing incidents has abated somewhat or whether they're still occurring on a semi-regular, if not regular, basis.


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The only things these Marines are really guilty of is surviving a firefight and being dicks afterward.

Since they knowingly pulled out their peckers for a video camera that was filming their godawful post-battle exploit, they are also guilty of knowingly desecrating the bodies of enemy dead as well as giving the enemy rreason to exploit that video footage as proof positive that the U.S. forces are de-facto "crusaders against Islam".

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Abu Ghraib this ain't.

This too shall pass.

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Darilian wrote:
Abu Ghraib this ain't.

This too shall pass.

But the footage of this incident will be replayed endlessly and remain on the Taliban and Al Qaeda recruiting websites to incite others to join their cause unless or until they're finally dismantled.

 
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I always think the TV version of that has the best lines cut out:




What is the origin of this hilarious skit?
 
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fightinlegalist1 wrote:
What is the origin of this hilarious skit?


It's a live version of a sketch from this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_Mitchell_and_Webb_Look

(Actually the radio version is first, from "That Mitchell and Webb sound", which is more or less the same as the live sketch. Except, you know, without pictures.)
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Dolphinandrew wrote:
fightinlegalist1 wrote:
What is the origin of this hilarious skit?


It's a live version of a sketch from this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_Mitchell_and_Webb_Look

(Actually the radio version is first, from "That Mitchell and Webb sound", which is more or less the same as the live sketch. Except, you know, without pictures.)


Thanks!
 
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