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*Beep* the US Congress and *Beep* SOPA. There is no reason that this site should be taken down. If this ever happens, Either I shoot myself or not buy anymore boardgames.

Whatever is happening in Washington could affect the world.

it will be a matter of time before Youtube recieves a censorship page from the government

and you know what this means, people like Tom Vasal, Drakkenstrike, and Board to Death TV (my favorite reviewers) won't be able to produce anymore game reviews on the market. they can be out of the job all thanks to those Motherf*cken government who's trying to pass the SOPA bill
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Shouldn't that page be in the RSP Forum?
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Fuck the US Congress and fuck SOPA.


FTFY.
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Shouldn't that page be in the RSP Forum?


Apparently da rules do not apply to our humble hosts. You know, the ones suddenly concerned about a bill targetting sites which host copyright-infringing media. Like, say, downloadable pdfs which allow people to rip off game publishers.

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potterama wrote:
RaffertyA wrote:
Shouldn't that page be in the RSP Forum?


Apparently da rules do not apply to our humble hosts. You know, the ones suddenly concerned about a bill targetting sites which host copyright-infringing media. Like, say, downloadable pdfs which allow people to rip off game publishers.


Now hush, Potter.

If you get suspended, who will keep me amused about questions of aesthetics here on BGG????

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Is there evidence of BGG's not complying with DCMA takedown notices?

I don't think any one of these protesting organizations is intent on protecting piracy; rather, they're protesting an unconstitutional assault on the basic principles of jurisprudence in this country.
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- Commissioner Pravin Lal, "U.N. Declaration of Rights"
- Accompanies the Secret Project "The Planetary Datalinks"
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Personally, I find this entire stunt to be....odd...given that Pres. Obama has declared that he is going to veto SOPA, and most politicos don't think that the Senate version, PIPA, could make it out either.

This is a dead issue, to be frank, and I'm puzzled over the extent to which that everyone is making it out to be the equivalent to Internet Armageddon.

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This is a dead issue, to be frank, and I'm puzzled over the extent to which that everyone is making it out to be the equivalent to Internet Armageddon.

In part, it's because this bill may be bad enough to fail, but the less uproar there is, the sooner we'll see its properly-machined-to-slip by replacement. This is not the war: this is one in a series of warning shots. The real problem is that so many of our politicians are willing to even consider bills like this, and for that, our only weapon is protest and getting a less broken political system (referring to the completely asinine two-party choke hold on the system, not the mechanical parts of it).

Of course, if BGG actually cared about issues like this, about organizations creating completely unfair and ridiculously broad policies in the name of false protection, we would see them face up to the embarrassment that is their own Terms of Service.

But instead, we just get a big "Wah, this would be bad for us!" page.
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But instead, we just get a big "Wah, this would be bad for us!" page.


Because BGG is not a non-profit website.

The servers cost.

A lot.

The people who work on BGG need to get paid.

If they shut down a day, not only does the whole crew get a wonderful day with no pay at all, but they still have to pay the rent.

Principles are fine. But its a tough enough economy out there without forcing some people to actually pay out of pocket to take a day off from work.
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Of course, if BGG actually cared about issues like this, about organizations creating completely unfair and ridiculously broad policies in the name of false protection, we would see them face up to the embarrassment that is their own Terms of Service.



Honest question, what's wrong with their Terms? I just have a lawyer write them for my sites and trust that he's not doing anything ridiculous. I can barely understand most of them myself...
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Is there evidence of BGG's not complying with DCMA takedown notices?

I don't think any one of these protesting organizations is intent on protecting piracy; rather, they're protesting an unconstitutional assault on the basic principles of jurisprudence in this country.


I was not aware that hosting downloadable PDFs of protected intellectual property was a constitutionally protected right.
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The point, for those of you who might not have caught it, is NOT the question of protecting intellectual property. The point is that, according to SOPA and PIPA as currently written, a possibly infringing website can be brought down for up to a year WITHOUT DUE PROCESS. Said site can have its DNS records blocked and be put out of business after a single complaint.

It's not copyright that's being protested, it's HOW SOPA and PIPA propose to "protect" copyright holders.
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Darilian wrote:
Personally, I find this entire stunt to be....odd...given that Pres. Obama has declared that he is going to veto SOPA, and most politicos don't think that the Senate version, PIPA, could make it out either.

This is a dead issue, to be frank, and I'm puzzled over the extent to which that everyone is making it out to be the equivalent to Internet Armageddon.

Darilian


Unfortunately, these things often are dead just long enough for the public uproar to subside, and then they get brought up again and passed quickly. Better to create some fuss that may be remembered.
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It's not copyright that's being protested, it's HOW SOPA and PIPA propose to "protect" copyright holders.


Then how is this about "censorship?"

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potterama wrote:
HuginnGreiling wrote:
Is there evidence of BGG's not complying with DCMA takedown notices?

I don't think any one of these protesting organizations is intent on protecting piracy; rather, they're protesting an unconstitutional assault on the basic principles of jurisprudence in this country.


I was not aware that hosting downloadable PDFs of protected intellectual property was a constitutionally protected right.


Id like you to meet our good friend, Fair Use.

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potterama wrote:
ohbalto wrote:
It's not copyright that's being protested, it's HOW SOPA and PIPA propose to "protect" copyright holders.


Then how is this about "censorship?"



I'm utterly dumbfounded that any human being would support those bills.
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Mr.Baggins wrote:
potterama wrote:
HuginnGreiling wrote:
Is there evidence of BGG's not complying with DCMA takedown notices?

I don't think any one of these protesting organizations is intent on protecting piracy; rather, they're protesting an unconstitutional assault on the basic principles of jurisprudence in this country.


I was not aware that hosting downloadable PDFs of protected intellectual property was a constitutionally protected right.


Id like you to meet our good friend, Fair Use.


I'm familiar with your Fair Use.

Posting the Munchkin rules here I don't care about, though it's freely available from an official site (I guess, can't see behind SOPA blackout but it's presumably run by SJGames) http://www.worldofmunchkin.com/rules/

The other one though, is substantially using a fictional setting that is very reasonably under copyright, not for commentary, criticism, or parody. It would be perfectly legitimate for FOX or whoever owns rights to request it be pulled.

Regardless, HuginnGrelling is right - the big problem with this bill is not related to its aims, but to its methods. It enables quick and easy censorship and can force financial damage on companies that may or may not be doing anything wrong with no oversight or checks on its power.
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ohbalto wrote:
according to SOPA and PIPA as currently written, a possibly infringing website can be brought down for up to a year WITHOUT DUE PROCESS.

I was under the impression that in the USA, process was no longer due.
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The implementation of these bills remind me of this:
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Mr.Baggins wrote:

Id like you to meet our good friend, Fair Use.


I'd love you to meet him too. Fair Use covers academic, critical, and parody usage of media, and even then you may not reproduce the document in toto, only in nominative snippets.

So this is not "Fair Use." It's IP infringement, and Boardgamegeek happily turns a blind eye to it. I am more than willing to concede SOPA is an overpowered piece of legislation, open to potential abuse because its language is vague...but to suggest that this site is some innocent widdle victim is a crock. It is a for-profit entity, and some of that profit comes from traffic driven here by the easy availability of illegal material.

Of *course* they oppose SOPA.

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potterama wrote:
ohbalto wrote:
It's not copyright that's being protested, it's HOW SOPA and PIPA propose to "protect" copyright holders.


Then how is this about "censorship?"



Because SOPA and PIPA don't require any PROOF that something is infringing copyright - simply reporting something as a violation is enough to get a website shut down and removed from DNS listings, effectively removing them from the internet. In addition, the bill states that not only hosting infringing items will get you shut down, but linking to a website that does host infringing items will get you shut down. Not linking to the infringing items - linking to the HOSTED SITE. No warning, no cease and desist, no notification that the site you're linking to contains infringing material...
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potterama wrote:
ohbalto wrote:
It's not copyright that's being protested, it's HOW SOPA and PIPA propose to "protect" copyright holders.


Then how is this about "censorship?"



Because SOPA and PIPA don't require any PROOF that something is infringing copyright - simply reporting something as a violation is enough to get a website shut down and removed from DNS listings, effectively removing them from the internet. In addition, the bill states that not only hosting infringing items will get you shut down, but linking to a website that does host infringing items will get you shut down. Not linking to the infringing items - linking to the HOSTED SITE. No warning, no cease and desist, no notification that the site you're linking to contains infringing material...


Exactly, and the inherent danger is that the Government will essentially be able to use copyright as an excuse to take down any site they want... effectively making the USA's internet similiar to that of China's.
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I think of it like this:

In one world a guy can make a game based on a TV series he loves.

In the other world he can't.

The second world makes me a little sad.
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