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I think you'll manage suffering through one day's worth of a redirect. This is a serious issue with implications that will affect how the entire world accesses information.
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What if, sopa passes, Bgg is taken down, and the redirect is a site closure message?

Consider this one a role playing experience.

Normally I'd agree with you about rsp, but this one is important enough. If it bothers you that much, you might need to clean the sand out of your undies...
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So my second suggestion: Having now twice read about Geekdo's strong stance against online piracy, will you put your money where your mouth is and remove pirated rules sets and articles posted to the site? Or at least remove those user scans of rulebooks that are not in compliance with the BGG upload policy which requires a statement of permission in the file description?

I'd even suffer through another RSP logon if you'd do that...

EDIT: Although I was never recontacted by an admin regarding the issue, I just checked in on the particular file submission I had written about, and it is now gone. So thumbsup for that one, and I guess I am due for another RSP logon.


Hey Mav, I'm not here to pick on you dude. But I think this statement may illustrate why the admins feel it is so necessary to put this into the spotlight again. After watching the RIAA run roughshod over the law, do we need more examples of how these "crusaders" operate? Lawsuits brought against webhosting sites who were already overtaxed trying to police themselves should give BGG good reason to be nervous. The fact that the law would give broad powers to prosecute webhosts that are trying in good faith to comply with laws is disconcertingn to put it mildly. Given the volume of uploads here, it is going to be difficult (again to put it mildly) to be sure BGG is always in compliance. This law goes way past reason.

Yeah, its a big deal. BGG could go away under SOPA. Who needs the headache? Its not worth it.

Also, have a look at Google this morning.
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Relax. This is far more serious an issue than you have come to understand. Read, research, become informed, then complain if you still have one to make.

As BGG stated in their redirect, they don't normally get political. SOPA and PIPA completely affect sites like this. Deal with it for the time it's up. Go do something else. Don't complain because they're making a statement.
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I think you'll manage suffering through one days's worth of a redirect. This is a serious issue with implications that will affect how the entire world accesses information.


Not if your from outside the USA its not becasue we can do sod all about it.
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Then let your lawmakers know what a horrible precedent this is setting to lessen the blow of future legislation in your country.

Regardless, as this affects everyone here, yes you too, you should absolutely be informed.

Ultimately, this is a US based site and this law can potentially lead to dire consequences for the future of BGG. I would think that above all, as a user you would consider this and give concessions for a brief inconvenience that might protect free speech on the internet.
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The Maverick wrote:
So my second suggestion: Having now twice read about Geekdo's strong stance against online piracy, will you put your money where your mouth is and remove pirated rules sets and articles posted to the site? Or at least remove those user scans of rulebooks that are not in compliance with the BGG upload policy which requires a statement of permission in the file description?
Just a side note: Permissions for files to be posted are to be obtained by the poster. In the current system there is a separate field for indicating where permission to post the content was obtained. Unfortunately, that field is NOT shown on the file page, so you would not see that permission was granted in newer posted files. I have requested users to also put it in the description so that everyone knows that permission was obtained, but that mostly does not happen.

Also, in older file pages, before the explicit permission was required if a file had a copyright on it, it was rejected unless explicit permission was obtained. Also, rules scans are rejected unless permission is obtained. Sometimes things can slip through, but if the file reviewer is following the protocol, then they should be rejected. Again, these permissions were handled and confirmed via messages, and unfortunately, there was not a field at the time to log the permissions.

That being said, if a publisher requests removal of a file, it is removed. Many publishers want to see their games have the reference materials hosted on BGG. If they do not, they can be removed.
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I think you'll manage suffering through one days's worth of a redirect. This is a serious issue with implications that will affect how the entire world accesses information.


Not if your from outside the USA its not becasue we can do sod all about it.


You can write to the companies that are supporting SOPA and tell them what you think. Tell them you won't buy their products. Write to your MP and tell them what this could do to websites run by British companies, i.e. no business from the US if they are blocked.
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Also, have a look at Google this morning.


In the UK there was no difference. What did they do?
 
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MungSu wrote:
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Neverfade wrote:
I think you'll manage suffering through one days's worth of a redirect. This is a serious issue with implications that will affect how the entire world accesses information.


Not if your from outside the USA its not becasue we can do sod all about it.


You can write to the companies that are supporting SOPA and tell them what you think. Tell them you won't buy their products. Write to your MP and tell them what this could do to websites run by British companies, i.e. no business from the US if they are blocked.


Here is a list of major companies supporting SOPA:*

http://theoriesofconspiracy.com/2011/11/list-of-major-compan...

* This list has not been verified by myself personally. Please be sure to confirm that they are still in support of the bill before taking any consumer response action against a specific company.
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col_w wrote:
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Also, have a look at Google this morning.


In the UK there was no difference. What did they do?


There was (is, as of this writing) a large black box covering the logo and the click-through link is here: SOPA: take action
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Just replace SOPA by ACTA, then there is enough to worry...
 
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Solamar wrote:
The Maverick wrote:
So my second suggestion: Having now twice read about Geekdo's strong stance against online piracy, will you put your money where your mouth is and remove pirated rules sets and articles posted to the site? Or at least remove those user scans of rulebooks that are not in compliance with the BGG upload policy which requires a statement of permission in the file description?
Just a side note: Permissions for files to be posted are to be obtained by the poster. In the current system there is a separate field for indicating where permission to post the content was obtained. Unfortunately, that field is NOT shown on the file page, so you would not see that permission was granted in newer posted files. I have requested users to also put it in the description so that everyone knows that permission was obtained, but that mostly does not happen.

Also, in older file pages, before the explicit permission was required if a file had a copyright on it, it was rejected unless explicit permission was obtained. Also, rules scans are rejected unless permission is obtained. Sometimes things can slip through, but if the file reviewer is following the protocol, then they should be rejected. Again, these permissions were handled and confirmed via messages, and unfortunately, there was not a field at the time to log the permissions.

That being said, if a publisher requests removal of a file, it is removed. Many publishers want to see their games have the reference materials hosted on BGG. If they do not, they can be removed.

Another issue here is some of these really old games were published by companies long gone. No one to contact, no designer contact info. If you lose your manual, what are you to do? I personally think if its an old game long gone and the publisher is long gone and there's no contact info for the designer, then put it up. If someone gets upset they can easily contact an admin to have it removed. From my experience, most designers are happy to have manuals up for those missing them.
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1st, if the user uploaded the file and claimed they had permission why is it BGG's responsibility to confirm that. Do you in fact know that the person that posted it did not have permission. Sure, I'd speculate they did not, but I don't think it should be BGG's responsibility to confirm the copyright information of every file that is uploaded.

2nd, I think BGG should do whatever they see fit to ensure they stay online. If you don't like how they do it than maybe you should start your own game site.
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MungSu wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
Neverfade wrote:
I think you'll manage suffering through one days's worth of a redirect. This is a serious issue with implications that will affect how the entire world accesses information.


Not if your from outside the USA its not becasue we can do sod all about it.


You can write to the companies that are supporting SOPA and tell them what you think. Tell them you won't buy their products. Write to your MP and tell them what this could do to websites run by British companies, i.e. no business from the US if they are blocked.


As I rfuse to but CD's (well I will if they are £1) and refuse to pay over £3 a disk for DVD's I don't anyway. Also what could my MP do, when was the last time the US actualy listened tp this country (and come to that when was the lst time this country stood up to the US over an issue).
 
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