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Frank Herbert's Dune (1965)

J. K. Rowling’s Harry Potter Series

Aliens (1986)

Back to the Future (1985)

Breakfast Club, The (1985)

Ghost Busters (1984)

Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)

The Never Ending Story (1984)

A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984)

The X-Men comics series

The Watchmen comics series



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Does saying lines count as an allusion? I think a lot of people would recognize "No man, they got the metric system. They wouldn't know what the fuck a Quarter Pounder is" pretty quickly, but I'm not sure I'd call the movie really a part of our culture.

I'd go with Harry Potter as one where the story and everything is really part of the culture. When people joke about "he who must not be named," a lot of people will know exactly what you're talking about.
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Peanuts Christmas Special
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Mini-Series - Roots, Rich Man, Poor Man
Dallas - "Who shot J.R.?"
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Star Trek
The Twilight Zone
I Love Lucy

Films:
The Wizard of Oz (played every year on TV)
James Bond films
Love Story
The Thomas Crown Affair
Twilight movies

Books:
Goosebumps series
Babysitters Club series
Rick Riordan books
Twilight series
Grisham books
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Drew1365 wrote:
Harry Potter! Yes, that would definitely be one.

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I think a lot of people would recognize "No man, they got the metric system. They wouldn't know what the fuck a Quarter Pounder is" pretty quickly.


I don't. What is that from?




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EgorjLileli wrote:
On TV:
Peanuts Christmas Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown
How the Grinch Stole Christmas
Sesame Street
The Brady Bunch
Mission: Impossible
Columbo
Mini-Series - Roots, Rich Man, Poor Man
Dallas - "Who shot J.R.?"
Dynasty
Star Trek
The Twilight Zone
I Love Lucy

Films:
The Wizard of Oz (played every year on TV)
James Bond films
Love Story
The Thomas Crown Affair
Twilight movies

Books:
Goosebumps series
Babysitters Club series
Rick Riordan books
Twilight series
Grisham books
Da Vinci Code
Angels and Demons


Add to films:
"I see dead people." The Sixth Sense
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Drew1365 wrote:

I'll give you Harry Potter, and possibly Raiders of the Lost Ark (or a shorthand allusion to Indiana Jones). The rest I'm not so sure about.

I'm trying to imagine which of our modern stories will still be alluded to 100-150 years from now, and be understood. I think the pool is very small.


I think that Dune still meets your criteria, Raiders/Indianna Jones, not so much.

I'll add 1984.
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Drew1365 wrote:
Lord of the Rings


More than fifty years old in the format that matters (i.e. before Peter Jackson made one film well and then lost it for the other two).

Harry Potter

Ar least in the UK, Doctor Who, or more precisely the Daleks, probably make it my being universally recognised.

Plenty of things at what you might consider in the next tier. First example that springs to mind is Mission Impossible, which passes the text because you only need about one or two seconds of the opening theme music (TV version) before everyone recognises it. There are many more. However several that American might list would get a "Huh?" here and vice versa.

Edit: wrote that before the other posters all also saying Harry Potter.
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I'd go with Harry Potter as one where the story and everything is really part of the culture. When people joke about "he who must not be named," a lot of people will know exactly what you're talking about.


What does the King in Yellow have to do with Harry Potter ? goo
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Drew13651984 wrote:
1984, I think, has clearly established itself already (and is older than 50 years).

I still don't think enough people read Dune to be able to recognize allusions to it even today. In 100 years? Doubtful.

People may still be reading it then, but I don't think it'll ever be so deeply connected with Western culture.


I didn't check the publication date of 1984, looks like it just missed the cut. And you're probably right about Dune. But if 1984 has clearly established itself, then I think the same must be said of of Star Wars, Star Trek and Lord of the Rings. These are all at least over 30 years old and still giant money making franchises.

My question is, will we be saying the same about Harry Potter in 15 years? (and that's a genuine question, not a knock on HP)
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Here's a UK perspective on that list.

EgorjLileli wrote:
On TV:
Peanuts Christmas Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown


Peanuts made it over here of course. But it's nothing like as big, and I'm not aware the Christmas special has any special significance. C list at best.

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How the Grinch Stole Christmas
Sesame Street


Not dissimilar level.

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The Brady Bunchp/q]

Not even C list.

[q]Mission: Impossible

B, as I noted.

[q]Columbo


Not sure if makes t to B.

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Mini-Series - Roots, Rich Man, Poor Man


D, E, ... Z somewhere there.

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Dallas - "Who shot J.R.?"


Who shot JR is about all that's left in the culture.

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Dynasty


Not even that.

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Star Trek


Universally known, if not universally liked.

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The Twilight Zone
I Love Lucy


C at best, probably lower.

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Films:
The Wizard of Oz (played every year on TV)


Oz is not as big here as in the US, but the film is extremely well known. But it's more than fifty years old.

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James Bond films


A list.

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Love Story
The Thomas Crown Affair


They had their moment in the sun, but haven't lasted.

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Twilight movies


This is one of those cases of A in certain quarters (teenage girls) C at best elsewhere.

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Books:
Goosebumps series
Babysitters Club series
Rick Riordan books


Not heard of any of these, so clearly not setting the world alight.

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Twilight series


As above.

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Grisham books


Had his moment, dwindling.

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Da Vinci Code
Angels and Demons


Had their moment, dwindling fast.

Of that list, James Bond and the Wizard of Oz (but only if timescale is relaxed) are worth putting on the OP's list.

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If Harry Potter is included, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles should be too.
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BeatPosse wrote:
If Harry Potter is included, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles should be too.


Not really. Harry Potter is enormously bigger than TMNT. Seven books that anchored themselves at the top of the bestseller lists for months each. Eight blockbuster films that might all have been number one at the box office. JK Rowling's worth is measured in hundreds of millions. And the cultural effect on children has been enormous. TMNT was a blip.
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I think that Dune still meets your criteria, Raiders/Indiana Jones, not so much.


Really? I don't think I know anyone personally who has any desire to read or see Dune. In our BGG circle however, I am surprised if they didn't.
BTW: I have not, nor any desire to.

Same with lord of the rings and star trek. My brother was dumbfounded when I told him I read lord of the rings 20 years ago. HE HAD NO IDEA IT WAS A BOOK. Sure most people have seen star trek over the years, but how many have seen most of the episodes? You're more likely to run across people who have seen more episodes of the cosby show, Rosanne, and I love lucy than star trek. This is flawed. You're looking at this from a geek standpoint...

Star wars is a given tho. I remember being in 6th grade and my teacher marking on the blackboard how many times the class had seen star wars. She herself had seen it multiple times (6 I believe).

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Drew1365 wrote:
Re: The Wizard of Oz -- Yep, both book and movie are older than 50 years. But definitely a lasting and instantly-recognizable part of western culture


My mother, who is now in her seventies, had to be taken out as it was too scary when she first saw it as a child. Thus neatly encapsulating the impact and the age at once.
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Dearlove wrote:
BeatPosse wrote:
If Harry Potter is included, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles should be too.


Not really. Harry Potter is enormously bigger than TMNT. Seven books that anchored themselves at the top of the bestseller lists for months each. Eight blockbuster films that might all have been number one at the box office. JK Rowling's worth is measured in hundreds of millions. And the cultural effect on children has been enormous. TMNT was a blip.


Then again, 28 years and TMNT keeps coming back...

edit: oops 28 years, I can't add. I feel old now.
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Sure most people have seen star trek over the years, but how many have seen most of the episodes?


But that's normal. People quote Shakespeare who have not seen the particular plays they are referring to. Scrooge is known to many more people than have read A Christmas Carol. Daleks are recognisable to millions of people who never watch Doctor Who.
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Unfortunately, most of Andrew Lloyd Weber's musicals and all the damned Disney films. Oh, yes, such is the cultural wasteland from 1960-present.
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Well, Lord of the Rings is over 50 years old, but if we're stretching, then Superman and Batman (and maybe a few comics). Or you could just be referring to the movies.

And another slight stretch (in years) which I didn't see but has probably been mentioned.

Bond. James Bond.

Most of the other things mentioned are too small.
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And I think The Simpsons is pretty well on track. Perfectly cromulent show.
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What's interesting in this discussion is that in the last 100 years, movies have taken the place of literature as the primary cultural idiom.

I would guess that 100 years from now much of our cultural content will be obscure: there's just so much of it created every day. Shakespeare, Dickens, Tolstoy, Austen ( yuk ) and Tolkein will last. They worked with Universal themes. And perhaps some of the great creators of today such as Disney (Walt,) Speilberg and Scorcese will last. Much of today's content is too topical to last 5 minutes let alone 50 years.
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