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Michael Fuller
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Hi,

Anyone know of anything that could hold a group of counters vertically? Having a slant is fine, therefore does not need to be perpendicular to the table surface. Each counter in stack does not have completely viewable. However, would like to be able to see at least the top third of a counter that is behind another. Something like a set of steps would be ok.

I thought of having small magnets attached to the backs and use rectangular strip of magnetic material. But thought repeatedly pulling the counters off and on during play might get a little annoying after a while.

Thanks greatly.
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Some block games have a block that simply refers to an off board stack. Is that what you're attempting?
 
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Little plastic card stands or game stands can do the job. Check Boards & Bits for prices.
 
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There are counter game that do the same like Carthage. And that is always an option but I'd like to have all the counters remain on the maps.
 
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Sorry, I forgot an import piece of info. I'd like horizontal space used to be no more than 3/4".
 
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A fascinating idea.

As you mentioned, a small set of two or three or whatever number of little steps, one for each counter. Important information at the top of each counter would be visible.

Brilliant.

Could also be useful in games with fog-of-war or in games with "untried units" where the actual strength of the formation is unknown.
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If you know any woodworkers or have some simple tools you could make wood lengths (perhaps balsa if weight is an issue) with angled cuts as slots to hold whatever thickness of counters you'd need.
 
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I see Boards & Bits have stands but I would imagine putting more than 2 in the stand while being able to see portions of the rear counters to be a pain.

I guess ideally would be like the tile stands used in Scrabble but instead of just one step it would have 4.

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And the bottom be no larger than 3/4" by 3/4".

Thanks.
 
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I think you're talking about "Counter Sleds". The topic I saw last year:
Counter Sleds, cool product - cooler (& immensely cheaper) to make your own for all you tileghouls

Essentially, you would put a counter, or a stack of counters on this, much like a very short Scrabble tile holder.


These come from http://www.rdoxx.com/

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Here's another thread about sleds ... sorta ...
Block wargame without the blocks


But, I think you're going to end up with some kind of custom solution.

You might start out with a plain sled like shown in the pics from rdoxx. But you'll need to add the "stairs" yourself.


Maybe try making one out of clay?
 
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pete belli wrote:
A fascinating idea.

Brilliant.



Thanks. I thought so

Basically the idea is to simulate the Fog of War aspect of block games. But the reason I'm looking at going this direction is that block games that use hexes, the hexes are huge. I'd like to get more hexes on a map without the map becoming huge.

As another possible benefit, depending on the design of the holder, you may also be able to hide the number of units in each hex.

Of course the alternative to all this is just use counters as normal and place a "shielding" counter on top of each stack. But the nice thing about blocks is the player can see at a glance what units of his are in each hex without picking up the stack.

Maybe I'm just crazy. I get like that sometimes.
 
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Sleds

Thanks guys. I'll take a look.
 
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Well, another option is that you can buy styrene channel from a model/hobby shop and glue it together to form the stairsteps. The nice thing there is you can make the sleds with whatever stack height is appropriate for units.
 
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funbelievable wrote:
Well, another option is that you can buy styrene channel from a model/hobby shop and glue it together to form the stairsteps. The nice thing there is you can make the sleds with whatever stack height is appropriate for units.


Thanks I look at that too.
 
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Here's a possible solution: no alterations to the counter sled, but turn the counters sideways and "fan" them out ... so the info you wanted on top is now on the side.



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Stormtower wrote:
Here's a possible solution: no alterations to the counter sled, but turn the counters sideways and "fan" them out ... so the info you wanted on top is now on the side.



You're full of good ideas.

Thanks.
 
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What you are inquiring upon is a 'counter sleigh' and of which this 'chap' is most knowledgeable all about:
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I'll suggest you can make your own from the 'Scrabble' tile holders, when those were cut apart into sections, from these.
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Another "outside the box" solution to your original problem — assuming your original problem is "I want to be able to see all my chits, but not allow my opponent to see my chits" — is to use a player shield... or several mini-player-shields, if the chits need to be out on the board in different places yet still shielded from the opponent's view.

I can't figure out how to search BGG images for the tag "player shield", but you know what I'm talking about, right? Piece of cardboard, folded, standing upright to hide whatever's behind it. The chits behind it don't need to stand up; they can just lie flat on the table.
 
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I used to see at conventions a product designed to do this. They were made of plastic and called Nebelwerfer. Since nobody else here seems to be mentioning them, I suppose they went out of business. I wonder if anyone has old ones around someplace though.
 
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I'm not sure what Cat Lord was pointing to, but the closest I found to a device to hold the counters vertically:


But that one is designed to hold slips of paper, not chipboard counters. Not sure if it can be adjusted.
 
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I was offering a way to make some basic custom counters that stand up, however those standees are also an option from the site. I'm sure that they would be willing to negotiate a slightly wider design.
 
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Nebelwerfer smoke screen looks like this.

http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showimage.aspx?gid=14551...

http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showimage.aspx?gid=14551...
 
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Two years ago Rick said:

heli wrote:
I used to see at conventions a product designed to do this. They were made of plastic and called Nebelwerfer. Since nobody else here seems to be mentioning them, I suppose they went out of business. I wonder if anyone has old ones around someplace though.

I have a box of them that I just unearthed, and would be happy to give them a new home if any game designers are still reading this thread.
 
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Thank you for your post, Neal.
I am interesting in these Nebelwerfer counter stands.

How many of these do you have?

Cheers,
edward

 
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