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Finally, a fascinating local dilemma is going to court today. I'll sum it up and then provide a link to today's story -

This guy who couldn't talk lived in Boise after growing up in a nearby rural community. He drew and made paper objects like a demon... his whole life. He even made his version of "books" although nobody ever knew if he could read. His creations are unusual and easily dismissed unless you stop for a moment and actually look at what the man created. Most of his early works were drawn with a sharpened stick using soot from the stove moistened by spit. The guy died in the 70's and his caretaker sister died (I think) in the 90's. About that time local Idaho art critics realized something - this dead guy, James Castle, was an awesome artist. Unique and endlessly creative.

Which means nowadays some galleries sell little pieces he drew on envelopes or scraps of paper for prices approaching $15K for each. That's a whole lot of coinage and Mister Castle never did anything in his 70 years but draw and make paper art pieces. So if that value holds, his collection is worth millions. And his remaining family have a trust that owns it. Except.... for the 150+ pieces located in his old house by the two sisters that bought it about 15 years ago.

And therein lies the lawsuit. The owners of the house could have a payday worth untold thousands. The secretive family that is hoarding his creations like DeBeers hoards diamonds (why else would anyone pay those stupid prices for sparkly rocks?) says they own the stuff the two sisters located during a remodel.

I suspect this one is far from over and I am siding, for the moment, with the two sisters who bought the house. Their intentions seemed pure to begin with and their stated motivation for buying the old place was it was the house Castle lived in. They are proud to own it.

The judge will decide - Story here.

I like his art by the way. I am amazed anyone would pay the lofty sums reported, but his creations are fascinating.





That second piece, the bird, apparently sold at Christie's back in 2003 for over $10K. Really? Wow. No wonder this is in court.

Who owns this found art?
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IOnemmans art is another mans old tat. But if they brought the house then the craps thiers.
 
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DWTripp wrote:
I suspect this one is far from over and I am siding, for the moment, with the two sisters who bought the house.


From what I remember of common property law (it's been a while), the precedents should line up with the sisters as well.
 
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bjlillo wrote:
I think you'd do your best to expend your energy getting in good with the sisters Tripp. That way, regardless of how it works out in the end, you'll at least get to have some fun.


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bjlillo wrote:
I think you'd do your best to expend your energy getting in good with the sisters Tripp. That way, regardless of how it works out in the end, you'll at least get to have some fun.


The thought has crossed my mind, believe me. But whenever I hear about two unmarried sisters buying a house together I don't exactly get the image of a pair of Playboy smut-sisters... more like chin whiskers, beady eyes and beefy thighs.

So far it seems the initial response is the same as mine - the sisters bought the house and it's contents. The family, at the time, trivialized Castle's creations but now that they are worth big bucks they have had a change of heart.
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Very interesting art with a very dark mood to it. Love the Stork also.Thanks for the exposure.
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DWTripp wrote:
bjlillo wrote:
I think you'd do your best to expend your energy getting in good with the sisters Tripp. That way, regardless of how it works out in the end, you'll at least get to have some fun.


The thought has crossed my mind, believe me. But whenever I hear about two unmarried sisters buying a house together I don't exactly get the image of a pair of Playboy smut-sisters... more like chin whiskers, beady eyes and beefy thighs.

So far it seems the initial response is the same as mine - the sisters bought the house and it's contents. The family, at the time, trivialized Castle's creations but now that they are worth big bucks they have had a change of heart.


20/20 greed is a wonderfull thing.
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DWTripp wrote:

The thought has crossed my mind, believe me. But whenever I hear about two unmarried sisters buying a house together I don't exactly get the image of a pair of Playboy smut-sisters... more like chin whiskers, beady eyes and beefy thighs.



And the problem?
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Daddys_Home wrote:
DWTripp wrote:

The thought has crossed my mind, believe me. But whenever I hear about two unmarried sisters buying a house together I don't exactly get the image of a pair of Playboy smut-sisters... more like chin whiskers, beady eyes and beefy thighs.



And the problem?


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IOnemmans art is another mans old tat. But if they brought the house then the craps thiers.
Does my inner art snob detect that we here in RSP have our own "naïve" poet?
 
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I once paid $110 for a painting from a four-year-old entitled "Bunny with Carrot."
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I once paid $110 for a painting from a four-year-old entitled "Bunny with Carrot."


Ha. Loser! I got a print of that one for $8 and put it in a Dollar Store frame. I tell my kids they drew it so they won't suspect I tossed all their grade school art out years ago.
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So I wonder who is going to claim ownership of all the bodies buried below the floorboards?
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So I wonder who is going to claim ownership of all the bodies buried below the floorboards?


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Alaren wrote:

Since the worth of the artwork is a bit of a windfall for everyone presently involved, were I advising in this case I would probably suggest that splitting the funds evenly between the estate and the home buyers stands to enrich them all, while a protracted legal battle stands primarily to enrich their lawyers.
Since the people involved are ...well... people, look for greed to take over and the lawyers to be the major beneficiaries of this affair.
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DWTripp wrote:
And therein lies the lawsuit. The owners of the house could have a payday worth untold thousands. The secretive family that is hoarding his creations like DeBeers hoards diamonds (why else would anyone pay those stupid prices for sparkly rocks?) says they own the stuff the two sisters located during a remodel.

...

Who owns this found art?

I think the secretive family gets it in this case. Even if you throw out your art collection you can later reclaim it -- weird, I know. I think even if they sold the house and contents to the sisters they can still get the art back by claiming it was unwittingly lost.

The above analysis based on a TV show where people find famous paintings at the tip then having to give them to some rich arsehole.
 
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PEOPLE IN IDAHO CAN DRAW?!?!?!?!?!?
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JoshBot wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
IOnemmans art is another mans old tat. But if they brought the house then the craps thiers.
Does my inner art snob detect that we here in RSP have our own "naïve" poet?


I doudt it, I'm not that literate.
 
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PEOPLE IN IDAHO CAN DRAW?!?!?!?!?!?


Not looking at this stuff they can't.
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