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I have an awesome group of gamer friends, and we love to beat, bash, bludgeon and bomb ourselves on a near weekly basis. But we're sort of in need for a new game, and quite frankly I'm anxious to blow some money on one. Now, I definitely think we enjoy the Ameritrash games more. We like to play for the strategy, the interaction and the conflict.

We almost always have a group of 4, but sometimes it is 3 and there's also the possibility for 5.

Here is what we've been playing over the past 6 months:
Blood Bowl Team Manager (our favorite game)
Dust
Arkham Horror (we rarely win)
Gears Of War
King Of Tokyo
Battlelore (fun game, but really only for 2 players)
Rune Wars (still learning, but heavy and fun)

I'd like to try a Euro game and broaden our horizons a bit. I'm not sure how much the other guys will be on board, but at the same time they'll try anything at least once. The theme isn't as important as is fun play mechanics, and it would also help if there was some player interaction, as opposed to playing a 4-player solitaire game.

I've had this long-time desire to play Agricola, so that one is at the top of my list. Despite being about farming, I think the mechanics look really fun, and the rules seem to be variable to allow for more depth, interaction, etc... But I've also been looking at Chaos In The Old World (Euro game with 'trasher theme), Lords Of Waterdeep, Ninjato, Dungeon Lords, Dominion, and Vinhos (we like wine).

4-player is necessary
Interaction/conflict is a plus
2+ hours preferable
Medium weight

Any other thoughts or opinions on what I have listed?
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Chaos in the Old World for 4 players, and with the Chaos in the Old World: The Horned Rat Expansion for 5 players.
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I think Shogun fits your description quite well.

It is engaging, holds its ranking very well on BGG (released in 2006). Has some elements of conflict, has an awesome cube tower, and interesting simultaneous action selection.

Everyone I have introduced the game to has enjoyed it. Have fun...
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Eclipse is great euro/at hybrid.
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Liberté (on sale at Tanga), Struggle of Empires or Age of Reason should be right up your alley.
 
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I'll agree with Dominant Species, Eclipse, and Shogun which is about to be reprinted as Wallenstien. You may also want to look at Merchants and Marauders (4 players) or one of the versions of Imperial.

You mention Agricola but not wanting multiplayer solitaire. Based on that you may really want to reconsider this. You also mention Dungeon Lords which is 4 players.

 
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godunow wrote:
Eclipse is great euro/at hybrid.


Wow. That game looks insane.

EDIT: Just preordered the 2nd printing. Thanks for this recommendation. The review completely sold me on it.
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Bixby wrote:
I think Shogun fits your description quite well.

It is engaging, holds its ranking very well on BGG (released in 2006). Has some elements of conflict, has an awesome cube tower, and interesting simultaneous action selection.

Everyone I have introduced the game to has enjoyed it. Have fun...


Yes.

Also available as Wallenstein (second edition)



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Maybe Cyclades or Cave Troll ?
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Lords of Waterdeep! Goes to 5 players and scales beautifully for any number. A good amount of interaction and conflict thanks to the addition of Intrigue cards along with classic worker placement blocks. It plays in an hour, not two, if that's important. This game is not just the hotness, it's a spectacular bridge between Ameritrash and Euro.
 
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Heavy interaction medium weight Euro that plays best with 3 or 4:

Caylus or Tigris & Euphrates

Caylus is a bit on the heavier side, but it's not really THAT heavy.

The Manhattan Project is also a fine choice in my opinion.
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El Grande - Classic Euro involving area comtrol, simultaneous influence deployment, auctioning for turn order, and a heavy dose of tense conflict.

No dice.

Not recommended for three players, but excellent with 4 or 5.
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Dominant Species - Heavy conflict/interaction worker placement.
Cyclades or A Game of Thrones: The Board Game (Second Edition) - Hybrids with direct conflict and bidding/strategy components.
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LOL, a lot of the games you have are games that I started with.

I have bought two Euro-style games that my family and I LOVE....

Ninjato...Euro-style mechanics oozing with old Far East theme. Fantastic game. Drakkenstrike has a Youtube video on it... 2-4 players...scales well.

Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery...Discovery theme, resources, battles...and tons of miniatures! Excellent...multiple paths to victory, different just about every time. 2-5 players...scales great!

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+1 Tigris & Euphrates

best game ever for me.
only one weakness for you - no 5 player options available. But you could make your own set of leaders and see how it goes gulp
 
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Cyclades was the very first game the crossed my mind. It has a lot of interaction, twists and will bring enough table trash talk. Really fun game.
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Conquest of the Empire. It actually has two games in it. The first is a classic Ameritrash game, from the same series as Axis & Allies and Fortress America. The second is a hybrid Euro based on Struggle of Empires.

It has a giant board, tons of plastic pieces, two games in one, and is usually $30 or less online. Highly recommended!
 
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I second Cyclades though. whistle
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If Agricola looks vaguely interesting, let me suggest Age of Empires III. It's another worker placement game, but instead of gathering little wooden resource bits with your larger worker bits to farm, you have a bunch of awesome plastic figs that you place to colonize the new world. Also, you can buy soldiers that can shoot your opponents.
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DO NOT start with Agricola, it might just turn off your friends from Euro games. Start with something lighter.

I suggest Ninjato as a light-ish Euro with some great theme. If your friends like card games and "combo's", Dominion should be very good, I like it a lot, personally. There's not much interaction in those games, but that's what Euro games lack, you can't bash your friend with an Orcish Axe. =(

If you want a "hybrid" game as they call it, a game that hides behind the Ameritrash theme, but some of the mechanics reflect Euro games, I would suggest Cyclades. Apperantly, Chaos in the Old World is a "hybrid", but I don't see it much, feels more trashy to me.
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I've ordered Chaos In The Old World and preordered the 2nd printing of Eclipse - so I should be set for awhile. And now Cyclades is on the short-list for future games as well. Thanks for all the suggestions.
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Do look at interactive and confrontational types of euros:

Area control:

El Grande - the originator. A bit clunky to me, very very tactical, prone to AP.
Chaos in the Old World - El Grande for Ameritrashers - asymmetrical powers, more intutitve gameplay, shorter.
Small World - the simplest of the bunch, cute, however it's quite thinky (each decision has a lot of weight). It's good for what it is, but it's not a ride like CITOW or Cyclades

other recommendations in this field: Liberte

Civilisation hybrids.

Cyclades: you want this one. It's auction + dudes on a map and is really nicely tense once players recognize the signs that somebody is close to winning. It's relatively simple to teach as well.

Others I haven't played but usual recommendations in this field include: Wallenstein/Shogun, Eclipse

Other games worth checking: Game of thrones (3 hour diplomacy like game, not sure why they made the 2nd edition uglier), Tigris and Euphrates - as euroey as they come, and thinky, and counterintuive, but confrontational.
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I think Alien Frontiers might fit all your criteria except for game length (it'll often end before 2 hours, especially with only 3 players)

Edited because BGG aparently doesn't like the 'less than' symbol.
 
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Chaos in the Old World and especially A Game of Thrones are my two picks for you.

Throwing this on your radar as well: It's only for two people, but if your favorite is Blood Bowl Team Manager, I think you'd really dig on Battle Line. Look past the clip-art presentation and get into the gameplay, which is like a mash-up of BB:TM and Caribbean stud poker. You can pick it up online for cheap.

Also, Cosmic Encounter. Dear Lord, Cosmic Encounter.
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