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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/11/suit-nasa-specialis...

Now it seems that David is playing the discrimination card, but I still think it raises an handful of interesting questions.
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This has been kicking round for some time. It is nothing to do with his beliefs but the fact he was wasting his own and a lot of other employees paid time by evangelising at work. He had been asked to stop several times so he got the sack.

The same rule would apply to me If I tried to de-convert people.
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This has been kicking round for some time. It is nothing to do with his beliefs but the fact he was wasting his own and a lot of other employees paid time by evangelising at work. He had been asked to stop several times so he got the sack.

The same rule would apply to me If I tried to de-convert people.


This may be 'the interesting question' referd to, should someone have to right to engage in religious activity in work time.
 
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Halfinger wrote:
This has been kicking round for some time. It is nothing to do with his beliefs but the fact he was wasting his own and a lot of other employees paid time by evangelising at work. He had been asked to stop several times so he got the sack.

The same rule would apply to me If I tried to de-convert people.


This may be 'the interesting question' referd to, should someone have to right to engage in religious activity in work time.


Not to the point it adversely affects his or others performance. Anyway I read up on all this last month or whenever it started and it's now a cause celebre for the ID idiots so it entered the realms of fantasy some time back.

In any event it is nothing to do with his beliefs as such.

There was a fairly recent case of a professor where his beliefs were the cause of his refusal for an appointment. He was a highly accomplished and respected researcher in his field. Interestingly the atheist comments agreed that it was wrong to prejudiced him for his beliefs as it had no impact on his work.
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I genuinely laughed out loud when I saw the "screenplay" thing. The quality of ID proponents' legal counsel seems to be on par with the quality of their scientific arguments.
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Halfinger wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
Halfinger wrote:
This has been kicking round for some time. It is nothing to do with his beliefs but the fact he was wasting his own and a lot of other employees paid time by evangelising at work. He had been asked to stop several times so he got the sack.

The same rule would apply to me If I tried to de-convert people.


This may be 'the interesting question' referd to, should someone have to right to engage in religious activity in work time.


Not to the point it affects his performance. Anyway I read up on all this last month or whenever it started and it's now a cause celebre for the ID idiots so it entered the realms of fantasy some time back.



In any event it is nothing to do with his beliefs as such.

I would agree, but I think that may be the point though. It often seems to me that modern 'persecution' of Christians (as they portray it) has less to do with them being treated differenlty and more to do with them not being treated with deferance.

That appears to be the cse here, he was not allowed to waste his (and others) time in a way that no one else would have been allowed to.
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What do you think those interesting questions might be?

Well, as much as I am for work protection, I have reservations about great schisms between company philosophy and worker philosophy.

Is it normal, say, for a religious institution to be forced to keep an outspoken atheist? Can it really work?

Specifically for creationism, would it be normal for a biologogy research institution to be legally forced to work with a creationist?

etc.

Secondly, don't you think it's really one most vile thing to do to play that argument? Reminds me of something that happened a few month ago; a guy was really rude so I told him to shut up and I called him a jerk. The first thing the guy told me was "racist".
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slatersteven wrote:
Halfinger wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
Halfinger wrote:
This has been kicking round for some time. It is nothing to do with his beliefs but the fact he was wasting his own and a lot of other employees paid time by evangelising at work. He had been asked to stop several times so he got the sack.

The same rule would apply to me If I tried to de-convert people.


This may be 'the interesting question' referd to, should someone have to right to engage in religious activity in work time.


Not to the point it affects his performance. Anyway I read up on all this last month or whenever it started and it's now a cause celebre for the ID idiots so it entered the realms of fantasy some time back.



In any event it is nothing to do with his beliefs as such.

I would agree, but I think that may be the point though. It often seems to me that modern 'persecution' of Christians (as they portray it) has less to do with them being treated differenlty and more to do with them not being treated with deferance.

That appears to be the cse here, he was not allowed to waste his (and others) time in a way that no one else would have been allowed to.


Yes agree and sometimes it is a fine line. If someone is not allowed to wear a cross because they work near machinery what happens when they claim discrimination? You get Bishops declaring faith is under attack as we got with Carey recently. It's damn irritating and in my opinion reinforces by belief that theism can blind people to the truth.
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Halfinger wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
Halfinger wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
Halfinger wrote:
This has been kicking round for some time. It is nothing to do with his beliefs but the fact he was wasting his own and a lot of other employees paid time by evangelising at work. He had been asked to stop several times so he got the sack.

The same rule would apply to me If I tried to de-convert people.


This may be 'the interesting question' referd to, should someone have to right to engage in religious activity in work time.


Not to the point it affects his performance. Anyway I read up on all this last month or whenever it started and it's now a cause celebre for the ID idiots so it entered the realms of fantasy some time back.



In any event it is nothing to do with his beliefs as such.

I would agree, but I think that may be the point though. It often seems to me that modern 'persecution' of Christians (as they portray it) has less to do with them being treated differenlty and more to do with them not being treated with deferance.

That appears to be the cse here, he was not allowed to waste his (and others) time in a way that no one else would have been allowed to.


Yes agree and sometimes it is a fine line. If someone is not allowed to wear a cross because they work near machinery what happens when they claim discrimination? You get Bishops declaring faith is under attack as we got with Carey recently. It's damn irritating and in my opinion reinforces by belief that theism can blind people to the truth.


Not the truth, reality.
 
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Specifically for creationism, would it be normal for a biologogy research institution to be legally forced to work with a creationist?



Personally, I couldn't imagine a reputable institution wanting an anti-evolution creationist in their biologist department. It would be equivalent to hiring a mathematician who disagreed with how addition, multiplication and subtraction work. In other words, he/she wouldn't be able to solve any problems because of a lack of understanding of the most fundamental building blocks of his/her field.

Same goes for a geologist who rejects an old Earth.
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HavocIsHere wrote:


Specifically for creationism, would it be normal for a biologogy research institution to be legally forced to work with a creationist?



Personally, I couldn't imagine a reputable institution wanting an anti-evolution creationist in their biologist department. It would be equivalent to hiring a mathematician who disagreed with how addition, multiplication and subtraction work. In other words, he/she wouldn't be able to solve any problems because of a lack of understanding of the most fundamental building blocks of his/her field.

Same goes for a geologist who rejects an old Earth.


Yes that's true, evolution is a fact the same as gravity is a fact and germs are a fact. Evolutionary Theory is the body of evidence which explains it the same as Germ Theory explains germs. No one says germs or gravity does not exist purely because the bible does not tell them to. Evolution is so integrated into the knowledge and understanding of many areas of science and medicine that to deny it is tantamount to gross professional incompetence.

But my understanding of this case is different. His work was not directly related to his beliefs but how his beliefs affected his ability to work, as well as others. He chewed up a considerable about or work time, and his colleges, promoting his beliefs rather than working which is what he is paid to do.

His supporters happily ignore all this to play the victim card. But I am not surprised, the biggest amount of baloney and false logic comes from people who are ID believers purely because lying is OK as long as it promotes and glorifies their god. I sometimes wonder if that is why so many Presidential candidates find it so easy to lie on a regular basis to further their aims as they are so used to doing it. When I heard Santorum lying his head off about euthanasia in Europe I was highly surprised he wasn't kicked out of the presidential race there and then. But then after hearing all the complete rubbish people spouted about EU health systems I should not have been surprised I suppose.

Anyway back to the Op's link, I think this has been going on for a year or two actually, I was kinda keeping up to date on another site which has more science based content than here.
 
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