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Subject: Florida, Spanish HCM in New World--possible in Campaign game? rss

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Kinley Engvalson
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As I understand it, Spain has no colony markers, and so cannot get any new colonies (other than Phillipines) in Campaign game. But Spain starts with a new HCM in Florida in Tournament game.

Is there a way for Spain to get Florida (or any other additional New World colony) in the Campaign game?

And, when a colony is placed by another power, the colony marker, not an HCM stays on the map, right?
 
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Kinley wrote:
Is there a way for Spain to get Florida (or any other additional New World colony) in the Campaign game?

England, France, or the Protestants would have to colonize Florida first, then Spain could remove the colony and replace it with a Spanish HCM by playing Menendez de Aviles. The only other gray settlement that can come under Spanish control is the Phillippines by play of Conquest of the Phillippines.

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And, when a colony is placed by another power, the colony marker, not an HCM stays on the map, right?

Correct. It will stay there unless eliminated by a bad roll on the Colony table during the New World riches phase of each turn or if it's in Florida and gets removed by the card play described above.
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... or if someone plays Lost Colony.
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...or Portuguese Attack.
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Does controlling Florida give Spain any benefit, or is the only purpose the removal of the space from the other power?
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Nothing other than denying your enemies easy access to your colonies. No longer will Sea Captains be able to winter there (Drake in Florida would be painful).
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But, since it is a HCM, is it a 'colony'?

In another thread the HCM in the Phillipines was not considered a 'colony'.
 
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Kinley wrote:
But, since it is a HCM, is it a 'colony'?

In another thread the HCM in the Phillipines was not considered a 'colony'.


I would say no. It is only a control marker and is treated as a Spanish New World territory (Fortress can be added etc).

I do not think these territories (Florida or the Phillipines) are considered colonies like those which England, France, Protestants or the Ottomans start the game with. They cannot be placed by a Sea Captian, you do not get to roll for extra treasures per 8.4.

Anyone else have any alternative interpertations?
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And so can't be lost to Lost Colony or Port. Attack, right?
 
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Kinley wrote:
And so can't be lost to Lost Colony or Port. Attack, right?


I believe that once Spain gets a HCM there, it cannot be removed by Lost Colony or Portuguese Attack.

Kristian and Joel were referring to ways which colonies of other powers (England, France, Prots, Ottomans) could be removed by one of those card plays.
 
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I see.
 
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