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Steven Metzger
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It's been a while since I've gotten to play Genoa, but we're always hampered by the game setup being a little long, the game lasting a little long, and the explanation of what everything does going...a little long (we end up teaching a lot of our games, this is no exception). However, I absolutely adore the 'everything is negotiable' mechanic that drives Genoa, and that's what brings me back.

Are there any smaller, shorter games that might scratch my itch for insane negotiation? I'm specifically looking at it as the primary mechanic (or shared as a primary mechanic, as with set collection), and not something tacked on.
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Evgeni Liakhovich
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Chinatown is it (if you can find it)
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J C Lawrence
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Quo Vadis? comes on the diplome side, Chinatown on the barter side, and I'm the Boss! on the simple extortion.
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Another vote for Chinatown. If you want even faster, consider Panic on Wall Street!, which is very fast and full of negotiation.
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Quo Vadis?
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Quo Vadis is the ultimate in simplicity. Its comparable to checkers in complexity, and the mechanics will be familiar to anyone: you have pawns of a certain color, you attempt to advance them on your turn. I've taught it to many non-gamers in 15 minutes.

Also the game plays in half an hour, at which point your table may collectively demand another play!
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Intrigue, maybe?
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garygarison wrote:
Intrigue, maybe?

Ah, I just got that one. It looks meaner than Quo Vadis.
 
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I think that the next time we play I'm the Boss! I'll have the game end in a fixed number of rounds (12) and remove the draw deck three rounds earlier (round 9). The last game played we used poker chips in the open and everything stalemated (a problem most gamers would have seen prior to the start).

We play Intrigue with poker chips in the open and the nasty backstabbing aspect was not too much of a factor; everyone knew how it would go, only the details remained obscure.
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Chicken Caesar will be in the same vein, but it's not quite out yet.
 
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photocurio wrote:
Quo Vadis is the ultimate in simplicity. Its comparable to checkers in complexity, and the mechanics will be familiar to anyone: you have pawns of a certain color, you attempt to advance them on your turn. I've taught it to many non-gamers in 15 minutes.

Also the game plays in half an hour, at which point your table may collectively demand another play!


Intriguing game, but I wouldn't count on it taking only half an hour. My group negotiates and looks for every edge possible. This can go several times that long.
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J C Lawrence
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Aye, 90 to 120 minutes is more likely.
 
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Trump is a really old game that really pioneered the negotiation mechanic. Genoa does it better.
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Dragon's Gold? NEGOTIATION ON SPEED; so quick it is controlled by a sand timer (approx 40-60 seconds)!
 
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Another game worth checking out is Bohnanza. You don't list it in your collection, so perhaps you haven't tried it. But it's all about negotiation and screwing over your opponents. It's a fair bit lighter than Genoa, and much faster, too. Plus, it's cheap to find!
 
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Steve Holden
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Yes, Chinatown. And although it's Genoa-lite, it's a game that I enjoy just about as much as Genoa.
 
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Chinatown is a good game, but the last few rounds are bogged down because the payoffs are too easy to calculate.

I like Lords of Vegas. Lots of room for negotiation and deal-making, but the randomness keeps things unpredictable. Great game.
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Try Eschnapur. Can lead to some really far-out negotiations.
 
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