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There is currently an allegation that one of our new and abrasive players has created himself a sock puppet to play with. If this is true, he has entered a single game under both accounts, which would be a highly disturbing violation of the game. I'd really like to know if the allegation has merit or whether the sock puppet is just trying to act like it's true in order to stir the pot.

This post, and it's following post, illustrate the "joke" based upon that allegation.
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There is currently an allegation that one of our new and abrasive players has created himself a sock puppet to play with. If this is true, he has entered a single game under both accounts, which would be a highly disturbing violation of the game. I'd really like to know if the allegation has merit or whether the sock puppet is just trying to act like it's true in order to stir the pot.

This post, and it's following post, illustrate the "joke" based upon that allegation.


Personally, I very much doubt that it's true - I think he is playing along just to provoke people.

Having read several games for both players, I feel like their writing styles and personalities are quite different, despite both being very confrontational individuals. Also, I doubt the number of games and level of activity between them is doable for a single person, and certainly doesn't seem worth the effort at any rate.
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The style of play reminds me of the mafiascum players that joined in a few years back - it's possible that you just have two people coming over from a different place that are friends/ online buddies... The abrasive playstyle fits in with two people who would see no problem with claiming to be doing the sock-puppet thing just to troll...

Of course, it's also possible that it's the same person. Without admin-ish rights it's going to be hard to tell.

 
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I don't think this is an appropriate topic for forum discussion.

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Accusing other users of committing rules violations (e.g. accusing someone of trolling) - See the User Driven Moderating section below

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I thought this was going to be a discussion for sock puppets
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clockworkd wrote:
I don't think this is an appropriate topic for forum discussion.

http://boardgamegeek.com/community_rules

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Accusing other users of committing rules violations (e.g. accusing someone of trolling) - See the User Driven Moderating section below

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So far as I understand, sock puppets are not against BGG rules. They would be, however, a rather strong violation of the werewolf game. So if that makes this discussion inappropriate, I apologize, but I was under the impression that the "accusing others of committing rules violations" was not in conflict with discussing sock puppets because they are not BGG rules violations.

I will cease this discussion until clarification is provided.
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Shushnik wrote:
There is currently an allegation that one of our new and abrasive players has created himself a sock puppet to play with. If this is true, he has entered a single game under both accounts, which would be a highly disturbing violation of the game. I'd really like to know if the allegation has merit or whether the sock puppet is just trying to act like it's true in order to stir the pot.

This post, and it's following post, illustrate the "joke" based upon that allegation.


Honestly, after clicking I was surprised about how little you had to base this on. A copy of a post?

IMO part of maintaining serenity is not only not breaking trust but not jumping to conclusions without something definitive.

I think they likely know each other from the other site. Doesn't mean they are the same person . I won't breach a thought like that unless it's clear or something fishy repeatedly presents itself.

FWIW I like Beast. I do tend to enjoy the edge that 2p2 players bring.
 
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clockworkd wrote:
I don't think this is an appropriate topic for forum discussion.

http://boardgamegeek.com/community_rules

The following are prohibited:

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Accusing other users of committing rules violations (e.g. accusing someone of trolling) - See the User Driven Moderating section below

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It would only be a BGG rules violation if he was using a second account to get around a posting ban on his first account. I don't believe any rule exists banning secondary accounts entirely, and it isn't a BGG rules violation to cheat at WW.

J can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is fair game to discuss.
 
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The style of play reminds me of the mafiascum players that joined in a few years back - it's possible that you just have two people coming over from a different place that are friends/ online buddies... The abrasive playstyle fits in with two people who would see no problem with claiming to be doing the sock-puppet thing just to troll...

Of course, it's also possible that it's the same person. Without admin-ish rights it's going to be hard to tell.



They are from twoplustwo. With all due respect, this post rubs me the wrong way. It doesn't sound very inclusive. It has a very "them" - us feel.
 
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I don't think they're sockpuppets? I'm not really sure what the basis is for thinking they are, either.
 
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The basis is that Bersicker directly stated that he was beastofburden.

I also assumed he was joking, but he's carrying the joke quite far and I was trying to establish that this may be an issue that I didn't think was appropriate to declare a user moderation "BGG rules violation", because I didn't think it was.

I apologize if this was a poor decision.
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dbmurph22 wrote:
Honestly, after clicking I was surprised about how little you had to base this on. A copy of a post?

IMO part of maintaining serenity is not only not breaking trust but not jumping to conclusions without something definitive.


Bersicker did claim to be Beast here and here. How serious he was being is another matter.

I'd leave this to jfro to resolve, personally.
 
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Alright I see it now. Probably not serious. Could be. I agree with letting jfro deal with it unless it keeps popping up.

Communities are hard to maintain with different personalities and new "cultures". There's been a lot of reaction with their abrasive type play and now this. Personally, I feel like such reactions incite more of it. But maybe that's just me.
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dbmurph22 wrote:
Honestly, after clicking I was surprised about how little you had to base this on. A copy of a post?

IMO part of maintaining serenity is not only not breaking trust but not jumping to conclusions without something definitive.


Bersicker did claim to be Beast here and here. How serious he was being is another matter.

I'd leave this to jfro to resolve, personally.


While I don't want to get too involved, it would seem to me like this is the kind of thing that you just don't joke about when you're playing a game like this. If you're playing Monopoly, "pretending" to steal money from the Bank is a bad idea, even if everybody at the table but one person knew in advance you were going to pull the prank.

Long ago I was an administrator for a league that arranged online team FPS matches for various games, and it was made quite clear to players that you don't joke about cheating in multiplayer FPS games (any online multiplayer games really, but I'm speaking from my experience alone) - whether it be making an accusation of it, or a player joking around that they were doing it themselves. It only takes one person taking it seriously or not being in on the joke to start reporting up the chain and cause a major shitstorm.

If it isn't the case that they are the same person, I would simply say, big misunderstanding, please don't joke about that kind of thing down the road, and play on.
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Is this an issue in two games?

Jfro's and the Automod?
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dbmurph22 wrote:
Is this an issue in two games?

Jfro's and the Automod?


Yes, or I wouldn't have brought it up.
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Shushnik wrote:
dbmurph22 wrote:
Is this an issue in two games?

Jfro's and the Automod?


Yes, or I wouldn't have brought it up.


No worries. So they stated they were the same person in both games or the discussion over it spilled into another game?
 
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dbmurph22 wrote:
Shushnik wrote:
dbmurph22 wrote:
Is this an issue in two games?

Jfro's and the Automod?


Yes, or I wouldn't have brought it up.


No worries. So they stated they were the same person in both games or the discussion over it spilled into another game?


The claim of Bersicker's spilled over into the other game, which I still didn't give much merit until he parroted a beastofburden post, thereby participating in the claim in a second game.

I believe beastofburden has denied it and claimed ignorance, but bersicker has persisted in the claim.
 
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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/212242/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/128476/

Actually doesn't look like Beast has played that much over there. But he was experienced already. Maybe he played at another site.
 
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sock_puppet wrote:
I thought this was going to be a discussion for sock puppets


You and me both.

Let's just go get a beer if we're not wanted here.
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He starts a whole conversation with himself (at least they both pretend it is, if it isn't) here:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/9286388#9286388

This is way out of hand and I can't stop it in my automod game since I am playing instead of moderating.
 
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Good thing I already vowed to never play in a game with beast after that fiasco a few weeks ago.
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Good thing I already vowed to never play in a game with beast after that fiasco a few weeks ago.

I feel like any games he's in right now that he's rigging (particularly the automod game) should be stopped/not count. Which makes me very sad.
 
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Well, from what I've read, I don't care at this point if it's a sock puppet or not. There's jokes, and there's just being an ass.
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Discussion of someone using multi accounts is not against community rules, however if you are incorrect you can alienate one or both users. Word from on high is that if you have these concerns bring them up to an admin.
 
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