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when scoring the Kingdom cards (discoveries and knights), are they scored based on "horizontal ref to the player doing the scoring"?...assume we have square table and 4 players playing...player 1 scores horizontally (left-to-right or right-to-left), and now it's player 2's turn to score the same "discoveries" card; does player 2 have to use player 1's "board orientation" (player 1's row would look vertical to player 2), or is player 2 simply looking for horizontal based on his/her view of the board (which would appear vertical to player 1)? thanks...
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when scoring the Kingdom cards (discoveries and knights), are they scored based on "horizontal ref to the player doing the scoring"?...assume we have square table and 4 players playing...player 1 scores horizontally (left-to-right or right-to-left), and now it's player 2's turn to score the same "discoveries" card; does player 2 have to use player 1's "board orientation" (player 1's row would look vertical to player 2), or is player 2 simply looking for horizontal based on his/her view of the board (which would appear vertical to player 1)? thanks...

The horizontal lines are the ones that are straight lines of hexes, not wavy, and not diagonal. For example in this image, http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/1082933/kingdom-builder, the top horizontal line has a canyon and then 9 deserts. Those are the horizontal lines. That line is horizontal no matter where you are sitting and whether the board was used upside-down or not.
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every line in that image (L to R, or R to L) is horizontal...and if i'm sitting to the right og that board (let's say player #4) and i look at that row you mentioned, it's vertical to me from where i'm sitting...
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Correct on both.

It doesn't matter where you sit when determining the horizontal.
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blakstar wrote:
correct on both.
sorry, but which part...which post? (smile)
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so, what matters is what is horizontal "to me"...correct?
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There are 3 axes on a hex grid. Only the axis which runs parallel to sides of the board is the one which counts as "horizontal".

This is independent of which player you are or where you are sitting.
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The horizontal lines are the same no matter where you sit. They are determined by the designer to be the rows that extend east to west when you set the board up. If you look at the image Donal linked, imagine a compass rose. North would be at the top in that image. The horizontals are composed of hexes that run in a line from east to west.

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russ...sorry, but i'm not seeing axes (or axis) on my boards?? trying to figure this out since we're playing our first game tonight, and this simple part def has me stumped...
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blakstar wrote:
The horizontal lines are the same no matter where you sit. They are determined by the designer to be the rows that extend east to west when you set the board up. If you look at the image Donal linked, imagine a compass rose. North would be at the top in that image. The horizontals are composed of hexes that run in a line from east to west.

so everyone has to score based on the orig board orientation (horz for players 1 and 3 poss, whereas the same orientation may look vertical to players 2 and 4 from where they sit)...
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You should try and setup the board and have a look. It's easier to see.
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John_VW wrote:
so, what matters is what is horizontal "to me"...correct?


This is NOT correct.
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The red lines I've superimposed on this image are the horizontal lines. It doesn't matter which side of the table you're sitting on. The lines I've marked are the "horizontal" ones, even though they will appear vertical to people that are sitting to the sides of the board.

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There are no vertical lines in the game.
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John_VW wrote:
russ...sorry, but i'm not seeing axes (or axis) on my boards?? trying to figure this out since we're playing our first game tonight, and this simple part def has me stumped...


Imagine drawing lines from the center of a hex to the centers of the 6 neighboring hexes.

Do you see/agree that this will create 3 lines (each made of a pair of drawn lines going in opposite directions)?

\ /
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/ \

Those are the 3 axes. Exactly one of them is parallel to sides of the map. That axis is the "horizontal" direction of the goal card in question.
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On page two of the rules there is a diagram which shows a horizontal line to be one of the twenty straight lines of hexes running left to right across the longer axis of the rectangle formed by the four boards. Thus there are twenty horizontal lines of twenty hexes each. The base orientation is the original set up of the board, which remains fixed throughout the game.
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matt_k wrote:
On page two of the rules there is a diagram which shows a horizontal line to be one of the twenty straight lines of hexes running left to right across the longer axis of the rectangle formed by the four boards. Thus there are twenty horizontal lines of twenty hexes each. The base orientation is the original set up of the board, which remains fixed throughout the game.
that's what i thought all along...but in all honesty the game simply could have explained that part a little better...thanks guys...
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matt_k wrote:
Thus there are twenty horizontal lines of twenty hexes each.


So you can then score a maximum of 20 points with horizontal placement.
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caltexn wrote:
matt_k wrote:
Thus there are twenty horizontal lines of twenty hexes each.


So you can then score a maximum of 20 points with horizontal placement.

That is true.

EDITED TO RE-CORRECT: You can score 20 Knight hexes with horizontal placement, i.e. 40 points. Doh.
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russ wrote:
caltexn wrote:
matt_k wrote:
Thus there are twenty horizontal lines of twenty hexes each.


So you can then score a maximum of 20 points with horizontal placement.

That is true.


Well, that is true for Discoverers (ugg, hate that word...). Knights could theoretically score up to 40 in one horizontal line.
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The Discoverers can score up to 20 because there are 20 horizontal lines, not because there are 20 hexes in each horizontal line. The Knights can score up to 40 because there are 20 hexes in each horizontal line.
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It's a bit confusing to read without context, but if you actually look at the board there's only one direction that could conceivably be called horizontal, insomuch as the board is basically rectangular which implies that horizontal should be parallel to one of the edges of the board.
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russ wrote:
There are 3 axes on a hex grid. Only the axis which runs parallel to sides of the board is the one which counts as "horizontal".
John_VW wrote:
russ...sorry, but i'm not seeing axes (or axis) on my boards??



Well, John, you know "axes" is plural for "axis", yeah?


John_VW wrote:
matt_k wrote:
On page two of the rules there is a diagram which shows a horizontal line to be one of the twenty straight lines of hexes running left to right across the longer axis of the rectangle formed by the four boards. Thus there are twenty horizontal lines of twenty hexes each. The base orientation is the original set up of the board, which remains fixed throughout the game.
that's what i thought all along...but in all honesty the game simply could have explained that part a little better...thanks guys...


So, did you figure it all out, then?
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yep...got it now...thanks everyone...
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