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Which is the 'better' more interesting game? How do they compare in weight?

Just trying to make a decision of which one to get as I can't buy both.
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Manhattan Project carries more theme than Troyes does, and, from the game ratings you have, that seems important to you. Both use worker placement mechanics in new ways.

I think Troyes is a heavier game than Manhattan Project, is the better game, and has more replayability.

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You need to understand that Troyes is not a worker-placement game. You start the game with an initial WP round, but after that it's almost entirely a dice-manipulation game. So if you want a pure worker-placement game, don't get Troyes. If that's not a big deal to you, definitely get Troyes. It is an outstanding design, and in my top 10 games.

I've never played MP.
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I've played Troyes many times and find it fantastic - very intense player interaction, tight game play, and about 75-90 minutes for a 4p game once you have it down. Just about a near-perfect Euro, IMO

I've played MP once. I enjoyed it and look forward to playing again. As previously stated, it's more a true WP game, with an interesting take on the mechanism, and it certainly has a ton more theme.

I'd get Troyes based on it's pure greatness, but I'd leave MP on my "really interested in checking out further" list.
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Thanks for the input.. i have a couple of different worker placement games already so wasn't sure of the real different between Manhattan Proj and Troyes.

Troyes seems to have alot of love for it, so that is why i was interested in it. I think that helps my decision.

How does Troyes stack up against Macao and Castles of Burgundy?
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mwdalrymple wrote:
Thanks for the input.. i have a couple of different worker placement games already so wasn't sure of the real different between Manhattan Proj and Troyes.

Troyes seems to have alot of love for it, so that is why i was interested in it. I think that helps my decision.

How does Troyes stack up against Macao and Castles of Burgundy?


I own Troyes, Macao and Castles of Burgundy and would say the best out of the three is Castles of Burgundy, then I would go with Troyes and then Macao. But I really love the three of them so you can't go wrong, but I think Castles of Burgundy is the best choice.
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ianenriquelay wrote:
mwdalrymple wrote:
Thanks for the input.. i have a couple of different worker placement games already so wasn't sure of the real different between Manhattan Proj and Troyes.

Troyes seems to have alot of love for it, so that is why i was interested in it. I think that helps my decision.

How does Troyes stack up against Macao and Castles of Burgundy?


I own Troyes, Macao and Castles of Burgundy and would say the best out of the three is Castles of Burgundy, then I would go with Troyes and then Macao. But I really love the three of them so you can't go wrong, but I think Castles of Burgundy is the best choice.


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mwdalrymple wrote:
How does Troyes stack up against Macao and Castles of Burgundy?


I've only played Troyes out of those three. But one thing you might want to consider is how many players you will commonly have while playing it. Castle of Burgundy is widely praised as being best with two players, but not as good with more. Troyes plays equally well with 2, 3, or 4 (IMO). Just a thought.

Let us know what you decide and how it goes when you play it.

Good luck and have fun!
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mwdalrymple wrote:
Thanks for the input.. i have a couple of different worker placement games already so wasn't sure of the real different between Manhattan Proj and Troyes.

Troyes seems to have alot of love for it, so that is why i was interested in it. I think that helps my decision.

How does Troyes stack up against Macao and Castles of Burgundy?


I'll go against the grain of the feedback you've already gotten and say that, IMO, Troyes is almost a perfect Euro, Macao is a whole lotta fun, and CoB is a nice game, but only for 2-3p. I've only played CoB 2p, but I watched people playing 4p at Geekway and it tooooook fooorrrevver.

But I'd probably base your decision on how much you like player interaction. Troyes is absolutely cutthroat, Macao is very interactive, and CoB is only lightly interactive.

Troyes shines with 3p, is excellent with 4p, and is okay with 2p. Macao is going to be the most fun with 4p, though people talk about enjoying it with 2 or 3. CoB is going to be best with 2 or 3, and suffer with 4 if only because of the length.
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stlkt wrote:
mwdalrymple wrote:
Thanks for the input.. i have a couple of different worker placement games already so wasn't sure of the real different between Manhattan Proj and Troyes.

Troyes seems to have alot of love for it, so that is why i was interested in it. I think that helps my decision.

How does Troyes stack up against Macao and Castles of Burgundy?


I'll go against the grain of the feedback you've already gotten and say that, IMO, Troyes is almost a perfect Euro, Macao is a whole lotta fun, and CoB is a nice game, but only for 2-3p. I've only played CoB 2p, but I watched people playing 4p at Geekway and it tooooook fooorrrevver.

But I'd probably base your decision on how much you like player interaction. Troyes is absolutely cutthroat, Macao is very interactive, and CoB is only lightly interactive.

Troyes shines with 3p, is excellent with 4p, and is okay with 2p. Macao is going to be the most fun with 4p, though people talk about enjoying it with 2 or 3. CoB is going to be best with 2 or 3, and suffer with 4 if only because of the length.


+1. Except for the part about Troyes being just "okay with 2p". You already know my thoughts there.
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Have not played troyes so cannot comment on that - but TMP is my current favorite game, hands down. I think if you went with TMP you would not be disappointed.. Great theme, fun mechanics, and a bit of cut-throat action to boot.. good times..
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Wow, both are fantastic, and among my favorite games. Troyes is more of a traditional Euro, with a really well done dice as resources mechanic.

Manhattan project injects quite a bit of interaction in the traditional worker placement genre, and add some really interesting twists on WP, with the retrieval mechanism.

Both are outstanding, and you can't go wrong with either. Go with your gut and theme preference; or, do yourself a favor and get both.
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thanks for all the great freedback! it has helped!

I think that I need to try Troyes online.

I guess I am looking to fill 'holes' in my collection. Look at my collection and tell me what I should get! lol!

The older I get, the most afraid of heavy rule based games. Its why I like euros so much. Usually very clean rules w/o too many exceptions.

So I guess I am looking at either CoB or Troyes, but leaning towards Troyes.

I had considered Mage Knight as well, but the number of exceptions scares me considering how often I get games to the table.

I would like a good fighty/econ 6 player game, but can't get a copy of Eclipse due to the availability from the store that I am limited to.
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mwdalrymple wrote:
Which is the 'better' more interesting game? How do they compare in weight?

Just trying to make a decision of which one to get as I can't buy both.

Troyes is great because it makes use of dice in an innovative way to create a compelling game environment of action combos that does not feel "lucky" at all.

TMP is great because it completely alters some of the standard conventions of worker placement and manages to creates a heavily interactive race to the finish.

I don't know why you can't get both. Ditch that copy of Axis and Allies, and get both of them. But if you really think you can't get both, given your high ratings for worker placement and ameritrash games, I think you'll like TMP a little better.
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My copy of Troyes hasn't reached the table yet, but we've been playing a ton of TMP lately. All of our games have been tense and close. It just seems well balanced...in a five player game we usually have two to three players that are within a turn or so of winning when the game ends.

Of course isn't it a bit of a moot point? Is it even possible to buy a copy of TMP at the moment? Maybe buy Troyes now and then save up for a reprint?
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TMP is an amazing game. I love it alot. haven't played troyes though.
 
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Troyes, Troyes, a thousand times Troyes!!
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Eeeville wrote:
Troyes, Troyes, a thousand times Troyes!!


Hey, I recognize that copy of Troyes!
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Of course isn't it a bit of a moot point? Is it even possible to buy a copy of TMP at the moment? Maybe buy Troyes now and then save up for a reprint?

Yes. Manhattan Project is expected in August.
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I love Troyes very much, but Manhattan Project is a game that I took too right away. Very fun with a great theme and wonderful art.
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Recently I've been exposed to many different worker-placement games. For the most part, there was no direct interaction between players. It was all indirect blocking. The Manhattan Project has alot of direct interaction. You can directly attack your opponents' production engine and you can use espionage to utilize his engine. You can even create formal cooperative alliances in the game in order to slow down another player. And the best part of all, it's all highly thematic. There's no "person with the most abstract victory points wins". The first person to build their bombs wins.
TMP also has a great take on the WP mechanism with the worker retrieval action. This makes timing your placements a very important consideration.

I played Troyes.

I bought The Manhattan Project.

btw, it's in stock at http://germangames.com/game.asp?gameID=3035 , in case you decide you want it.
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yeah, I am limited to meeplemart currently as I have a gift certificate there.
 
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