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I know that HIS wasn't designed primarily for 5-P, but I wonder if the rules' suggested pairings are the best. We played a 5-P today and the Prots and English dovetailed easily, happily playing cards for each other just so that one of them won.

One might respond that in a multi-player game the other four powers simply should be able to easily gang up and stop an EN or Prot victory - but it didn't seem that easy. Would a better solution be to take another of the 3-P pairings - ie, OT/FR or HP/Pope - and make that the 5-P tag team? These other pairings rarely attack each other in 6-P but do not have similar aims, so there would be less dovetailing.

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Kristian Thy
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In my (admittedly limited - two FtF games) experience, Habs/Pope make for a better balanced pairing. But if at all possible, then let an experienced player take the Prots.

Ottoman + France means the Habsburg will have a very, very hard time.
 
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Agreed. I think that the English/Protestant combination is very powerful and can allow for an easy victory by either power. I think it might be better to do the Hapsburg/Papacy, since the Hapsburgs are still pretty spread out and those two powers really need to work together in order to fend off the Protestants.
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I think that the combination England/Ottoman could function relatively well. The two nations are quite far from each other and thus have a harder time reinforcing each other.
 
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We like to do Hapsburg/Pope and Ottoman/Protestant, but we also expect players to play the nations independently. The biggest drawback to the Ott/Prot grouping is that one player ends up playing for quite a while since they're both rolling a lot of dice.
 
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Habsburgs/Papacy is the best tag team in 5player I think because they ally after the Schmalkaldic League anyway; the effect is only that they stop being at war for whatever odd reason. All the Pope can do militarily is deploy a catholic unit or two through Habsburg lands to effect the reformation.

They have the advantage of not working to the same objectives - England and Protestant religous victory - while not having a conflict of interest. I think perhaps normally the Habsburgs would activate Genoa or Venice themselves if they had the respective cards, whereas if you're controlling both, then it's in your interests for one power - the Papacy - to be Master of Italy for the potential VP's.

 
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