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Does anyone else here notice that there are a select few that rabidly thumb everyone who supports their argument or attacks someone who disagrees with them?

I personally see this in people who feel very insecure with their opinion and debating skills. I also link it with people who really need and want an echo chamber.

Are some people really of the opinion that might equals right, perhaps? In other words, if more people agree with them, it somehow will make their opinion more correct?

It is one of the reasons I have always been against thumbing systems. Nonetheless, I find it very interesting to watch just who and what kind of person rabidly attach themselves to others that support them. I almost always see a trend.

What do you think?
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The trend you see is probably a pattern you are creating in your mind. It is human nature. Likely the trends you see could likely be explained by people you use the thumbing system at a greater rate than others, regardless of whether it is in a debate context or not.
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Are you suggesting that thumbs or agreeing about some issue on a website constitute "might"?
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I think you're overthinking thumbs.
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I can't speak for everyone, but I thumb for very random reasons.

Sometimes, I agree with the post.

Sometimes, I disagree with the post, but think its well written.

Sometimes, I don't agree with the post, but like the poster, and want them to know that I read what they said, and that I was thinking of them.

Sometimes, I do it out of ironic spite.

And sometimes, I post to mark the last post in a long thread that I've been reading, but will get back to reasonably shortly.

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Don't automatically that a thumb from me is automatically an endorsement of your position. Mostly it means that you attracted my attention, for good or ill. But since I'm lazy, with the attention span of a marmot, getting my attention with one's post here is an achievement in and of itself. So bravo!!

I know that I don't really look at how many 'thumbs' I have to determine if I've 'won' or 'lost' an internet argument. I've had enough debate experience to KNOW when I've won- rhetorically, at least- and pretty much pay attention to the thumbs only to see if I'm reaching a broader section of people.

Now, Geekgold Tips- that's a different kettle of fish. Those, I regard as 'SuperThumbs'. Though those are given out for pretty random reasons also people.

But anyone who wades into RSP looking to 'win' an internet fight deserves whatever mocking or ribbing that they encounter.

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shadow9d9 wrote:
I personally see this in people who feel very insecure with their opinion and debating skills. I also link it with people who really need and want an echo chamber.


Well said. I have always wanted to make this exact point but was a bit unsure of how it would be taken by other RSPers. Thank you for having the courage to provide a place where we can bounce this idea around a bit.
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Wait a minute... are you guys talking about the little green "dismember" button? I haven't exactly read all of BGG's policies, but I believe they're supposed to indicate that a user should be rendered physically incapable of typing more of their worthless gibberish.
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Sky Knight X wrote:
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I personally see this in people who feel very insecure with their opinion and debating skills. I also link it with people who really need and want an echo chamber.


Well said. I have always wanted to make this exact point but was a bit unsure of how it would be taken by other RSPers. Thank you for having the courage to provide a place where we can bounce this idea around a bit.


Oh quit trying to ride the man's coattails. Jesus, how unseemly. Besides, that point was more or less made incessantly back in the day when thumbs first showed up here, and when thumb-downs were removed--how did you miss all that jibber-jabber?
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Are you suggesting that thumbs or agreeing about some issue on a website constitute "might"?


I think that in some people's minds, yes. The more people that have similar opinions, the more valid their opinion.
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The trend you see is probably a pattern you are creating in your mind. It is human nature. Likely the trends you see could likely be explained by people you use the thumbing system at a greater rate than others, regardless of whether it is in a debate context or not.


What's truly annoying is when some actual gibberish, such as SpaceGhost's stellar example above, gets thumbed by people who feel sure that they understood the actual intent. It's a lot like the experiments of Eisenstein, only with thumbs and words.
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shadow9d9 wrote:
rinelk wrote:
Are you suggesting that thumbs or agreeing about some issue on a website constitute "might"?


I think that in some people's minds, yes. The more people that have similar opinions, the more valid their opinion.


If you prefer, we can express the validity of our collective opinions by investing in weapons of minor destruction and wandering the countryside in packs, inflicting our might on those with less valid opinions.
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The trend you see is probably a pattern you are creating in your mind. It is human nature. Likely the trends you see could likely be explained by people you use the thumbing system at a greater rate than others, regardless of whether it is in a debate context or not.


The people most rabid and seemingly insecure with their opinion end up being the same people that put actual effort into thumbing every post that either pats them on the back or agrees with them in any way. It is one thing to give a random thumbs up. If someone makes a brilliant point, I will be motivated to give a thumb. It is another to go around making sure EVERYONE that shares any semblance of an similar opinion a thumb... or even worse, a 1 cent tip to make make their pat on the back that more sad...

In forums without thumbs, you often see people quoting each other with responses such a "qft" or a snide side remark about how they are truly in the right and everyone else is soo wrong, etc. I think a thumb system results in less of these posts, but with a similar gang up effect.
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I dip into RSP now and again, though I prefer not to post stuff on controversial topics (because the internet is forever). I do like to read debates, and will thumb stuff that I agree with or that is thought provoking, or funny, or that I otherwise feel deserves a 'thumb', depending on which way the wind is blowing.

If lots of people thumb a post, then that means they have a point (true 99% of the time, excluding non-serious posts).
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shadow9d9 wrote:
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Off topic, but you have good taste in games. I think I have found my BGG twin. I'm not sure where you stand politically, though given that you're asking this question I'm guessing that you're a conservative.
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I have noticed that certain posters will thumb any post, no matter how stupid or pointless as long as it attacks people who are expressing or regularly express an ideology that they don't agree with. I'm not sure that's a trait that's tied to a certain political ideology or not, I'd have to research the phenomenon a lot more than I have or than I want to.

Certainly if you thumb a post I consider dumb, there's a really good chance that I will consider you even dumber than the person whose opinion you're thumbing, since it makes you seem like not just a moron, but a kind of cowardly, "me too! megadittos!" moron who doesn't even have his own ideas.
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OK, checking to see who thumbed your own stuff... I know MisterCranky does it, which makes it morally questionable. Checking to see who thumbed other people's stuff is just weird.
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shadow9d9 wrote:
In forums without thumbs, you often see people quoting each other with responses such a "qft" or a snide side remark about how they are truly in the right and everyone else is soo wrong, etc. I think a thumb system results in less of these posts, but with a similar gang up effect.


Except that there's no notice mechanism built in. I've occasionally checked out my list of most-thumbed items to get a general sense for what people thought worthy of thumbs, but since I check back in several times a day, I rarely see most of the reaction to any particular post of mine. I assume for most others the situation is similar, so it seems like it would have more impact on those who visit less frequently and see more posts at a time.

Conversely, if a post criticizing my position gets a ton of thumbs, I rarely notice that, either.
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Certainly if you thumb a post I consider dumb, there's a really good chance that I will consider you even dumber than the person whose opinion you're thumbing


How can you tell who thumbed a post?
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Click on the number next to the thumbs up button.

Suck. Going to have to be more careful from now on.
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shadow9d9 wrote:
I personally see this in people who feel very insecure with their opinion and debating skills. I also link it with people who really need and want an echo chamber.


Well said. I have always wanted to make this exact point but was a bit unsure of how it would be taken by other RSPers. Thank you for having the courage to provide a place where we can bounce this idea around a bit.


Oh quit trying to ride the man's coattails. Jesus, how unseemly. Besides, that point was more or less made incessantly back in the day when thumbs first showed up here, and when thumb-downs were removed--how did you miss all that jibber-jabber?

I thumbed Sky Knight X's post because I thought he was very cleverly mocking the OP. Oh, the irony.
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I thumbed every post on general principles.
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I don't have time to read the whole thread but I thumbed everything because I fucking love echo chambers.
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I don't have time to read the whole thread but I thumbed everything because I fucking love echo chambers.


Me too!

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It doesn't come easy, but I thumb my political opponents on a semi-regular basis when they say something intelligent or funny. It's the least I can do. They live such depraved lives.
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