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Joel Eddy
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Take Catan for example. The initial settlement/road placement canbe considered setup... Or it can be considered the first round of the game. There are several games with an initial board placement, Twilight Struggle, 1989, several war games.

Which games really take this to the extreme?
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Although not technically true, Neuroshima Hex! 3.0 could be seen as an extreme example, with long series of player turns seeming like an extended setup for the few battles that occur.
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Joel,

In no particular order:
Dungeon Twister 2: Prison
Dominion unelss you do a random set up it is fun to actually group think what cards will form the buy pile. I feel the same about Thunderstone Advance: Towers of Ruin.
Empires of the Void to a lesser extent choosing which corner to start in and then rotating the game board can be part of your initial strategy.

Those are the few that come to mind anyways.
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Nightfall's initial draft has a huge impact on the rest of the game. As does avatar drafts and starter deck construction (once you have the required sets to enable those functions).
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Through the Desert was the first one that came to mind for me. The first part of the game has each player placing their caravan leaders in different colors onto the board. This set-up will determine where you can place your camels once proper game play begins.

I would actually argue this is a two phase game in which set-up (phase 1) is just as if not more important than phase 2. But I still think it fits your original parameters quite well.
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Any drafting game. One can argue that deck building games are mostly set up as you spend two thirds of the game getting ready to do something (Dominion). The most egregious case however is 7 Wonders: the entire game is a drafting set up!

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Die Macher

- Prior to the first turn, players secretly select several set-up options from a set of options. These are checked off on a list supplied with the game, then simulataneously revealed and enacted on the game board.

Empire Builder

- Prior to the first player's turn, each player is permitted to expend $$$ from their starting cash to build track.

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I don't understand, "... take this to an extreme," but for Keythedral players take turns drawing a tile that creates the board, and then place a settlement.

(Select poorly at this stage and your fate is already sealed).

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sure sounds like a Geeklist topic to me...

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Not true board gaming but thinking of kids games from my childhood, Mouse Trap comes to mind.
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One of my favorites - Lord of the Rings: The Confrontation
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All the Quest for the Drafonlords games start out by having you spread your entire army all over the different realms on the board until each territory (except for islands) is taken.
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Duck! Duck! Safari! has a game inside of it where you build the board while playing and the second half has it being pulled back down.

1955: The War of Espionage has initial Home Country decision during setup that alters strategy throughout the game.

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Thanks everyone. Some stuff I never would have thought of. Neuroshima Hex is "extreme setup" for sure. Interesting.
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I would argue that any time a player influences the set up of a game and when those choices affect the way the game is played - change strategy, create strategy - then this is part of the game play.

When this does not happen it is just set up. If the former occurs then this should be Phase 1 in any rule book and not part of the set up. The set up should be the usual...place the board in the middle of the table, place the cards within easy reach etc...
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Antiquity
Samurai

Are a couple I can think of off the bat.
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What about drafting in Magic: The Gathering?
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The best part of Galaxy Trucker is the setup
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Carcassonne: The River is used to "setup" the base game by creating spaces to play off of.
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Twilight Imperium 3, building the map is key! (though I don't mind using a preset to save time).
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Eppic wrote:
Twilight Imperium 3, building the map is key! (though I don't mind using a preset to save time).


I guess on that note Runewars should be mentioned.
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The Downfall of Pompeii

The first stage just feels like an elaborate setup phase, then Vesuvius erupts, and all hell breaks loose.
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Shogun from Queen games has a setup draft and allocation of armies that is interesting as part of the setup. And it has a Cube Tower so how can you go wrong?

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