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My PC died.

Anyone willing to walk me through building a new one?

I know I want Windows 7. And I know I want a PC not a Mac.

Other than that...
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Well, what kind of PC do you want?
What will you use it for mostly?
How much money do you got?
Can I have some?
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mylittlepwny wrote:
Well, what kind of PC do you want?
What will you use it for mostly?
How much money do you got?
Can I have some?


1) I don't know, what kinds are there?
2) Internet searching and using. I also want to be able to run video games on it and use the Folding at Home process.
3) I would like to spend no more than $1400 preferably.
4) No.
5) I already have a monitor and keyboard, and maybe I can get Windows 7 really cheap from my school.
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frumpish wrote:
I would like to spend no more than $1400 preferably.


You should be able to build a pretty darn good gaming pc for that amount. You may want to research the CPU and graphics card first and then work from there. This might help to get you started. Remember that NewEgg.com is your friend.
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frumpish wrote:
mylittlepwny wrote:
Well, what kind of PC do you want?
What will you use it for mostly?
How much money do you got?
Can I have some?


1) I don't know, what kinds are there?
2) Internet searching and using. I also want to be able to run video games on it and use the Folding at Home process.
3) I would like to spend no more than $1400 preferably.
4) No.
5) I already have a monitor and keyboard, and maybe I can get Windows 7 really cheap from my school.


$1400 is way more than enough for all but the hardest of core gaming PCs.

Edit: Damn you and your same-minute just prior to my post post, tickmanfan!
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frumpish wrote:
mylittlepwny wrote:
Well, what kind of PC do you want?
What will you use it for mostly?
How much money do you got?
Can I have some?


1) I don't know, what kinds are there?
2) Internet searching and using. I also want to be able to run video games on it and use the Folding at Home process.
3) I would like to spend no more than $1400 preferably.
4) No.
5) I already have a monitor and keyboard, and maybe I can get Windows 7 really cheap from my school.

1. As many computer games as you want.
2. Internet using? Heavy upload/downloading? Online gaming? What kind of gaming?
3. That shouldn't be a problem
4. That should be a problem.
5. Okay, but that's not your computer.
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You'll want to start with a motherboard.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-motherboard-guide,2...
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I don't care to walk you though every step. However, I'm more than happy to show you some common pitfalls to watch out for.

1) Make sure your CPU chipset matches what your motherboard can take.
2) Make sure your power supply is big enough (in total Wattage). Make sure that the connectors will work with whatever video card/s you end up going with (6 pin vs 8 pin vs 6+2 pin vs multiple 6 pin vs whatever...). The larger power supplies tend to support the higher end cards, but nothing is guaranteed.
3) It's best to order RAM DIMMs in 2s (thought not strictly necessary). Make sure you have enough slots for them. Make sure your CPU and OS are capable of addressing the amount of RAM that you purchase.
4) Make sure you are grounded before sticking your fingers near sensitive electronics.
5) If you power up and hear crazy beeping/screeching or nothing at all (both bad), turn it back off, you've got it put together wrong. That said, if that happens, it's not usually the end of the world. Just recheck your work and fix the issue.

I'll post more if I think of anything.
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Ha. I was just on RPGG immediately before this, so I thought that you were playing an RPG and your character died and you needed our help making a new one.

Then I got very confused very quickly.

Anyway, good luck finding a new computer. I know a little, but I think some more knowledgeable people have already chimed in.
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My friend said that building own pc should last 6 years and that prebuilt from Dell or HP would last 4 years. Does that sound about right?

He also said two 512 mb GPU's would be better than one 1 gig GPU, does that sound right?

How do I keep from getting malware?

What about a physical firewall? Would that keep malware out?
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frumpish wrote:
My friend said that building own pc should last 6 years and that prebuilt from Dell or HP would last 4 years. Does that sound about right?

He also said two 512 mb GPU's would be better than one 1 gig GPU, does that sound right?

How do I keep from getting malware?

What about a physical firewall? Would that keep malware out?


Not sure about the linked graphics cards vs. beefier single cards.

You keep from getting malware by not clicking on spam links and by not visiting porn or warez sites.

I doubt you need a physical firewall. A software firewall should get the job done for any residential, consumer grade setting.

BTW, if you go with linked cards, again, make sure your power supply has enough of the correct connectors. Also, make sure that your motherboard has enough video card slots of the correct type.
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mylittlepwny wrote:
For me, the motherboard decision depends on the choice of processor...

In that respect, you'll probably want to decide on Intel vs AMD... Intel processors have tended to be more expensive, but they seem to be a bit more robust. Then model, features and power of processor, which is really dependent on how much you want to spend. The Intel i7 is perhaps overkill for all but the most hardcore gaming, so you probably want to look at the i5 or i3. If you're planning on folding as well, then more cores would be preferable... maybe look at quad core instead of dual core. There are other specs you can compare too.. like clock speed and L2/L3 cache Ram... but those could make your head spin.

Once you've decided on a processor, you'll know what Socket you need.. and that will narrow down your choice of motherboard. Personally I have had a lot of success with Asus motherboards and will always look at their offerings first... other people may have differing opinions though and YMMV.

Your next big decision is to choose a graphics card... and you'll probably need to choose between an nVidia or ATI (AMD?). I'll defer to someone more knowledgeable on this subject....

For Windows 7 I'd recommend getting at least 4Gb of RAM.. more if you can afford it (I built my XP system with 4Gb 3 years ago)
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So for folding I would be better with quad core i5 than dual core i7?
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The question of cores is down to how much you want to do at the same time... If you're folding and gaming at the same time you probably want a quad core... especially as more recent games are multicore. E.g. Skyrim minimum dual core, recommended quad core.

I found this article, which is pretty good:
http://feedchimp.com/quad-core-vs-dual-core-2012-whats-best-...

And the folding SMP FAQ seems to recommend quad core:
http://folding.stanford.edu/English/FAQ-SMP


If you're thinking i7 and can afford to spring for a quad i7 it will be worth it in the long run.. otherwise I would probably get a quad i5 over a dual i7.
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I just recently spent around $1500 on a gaming/video editing pc, and I found choosing my video card first, then motherboard, then finding the right pieces to fit everything together worked really well.

The top end graphics cards run around $450 right now, though you might not want to go that crazy. Just make sure you get a big enough case to handle everything you want to throw together. I have a giant Cooler Master and I love it.
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jimbrax wrote:
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If you're folding and gaming at the same time


folding?

Folding @ Home
http://folding.stanford.edu/English/HomePage
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For someone not tech savvy, I'd suggest buying one from a site that builds pcs to your specifications.

I bought one from a U.K. site 7-8 years ago, and paid a quarter of the price for something which was far more powerful than any machine from PC World.

It's still going strong to this day!
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Take a look at the Ars system guide from December. Not a lot has changed of note since then other than the 6 series Nvidia cards coming out. I picked up an ASUS 670 DC2 and I'm pretty happy with it. Ivy Bridge is not a massive improvement over Sandy Bridge so I wouldn't sweat it.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/12/ars-technica-system-g...
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frumpish wrote:
My friend said that building own pc should last 6 years and that prebuilt from Dell or HP would last 4 years. Does that sound about right?


IMO, no PC built for gaming is going to last 6 years. Sure, it might meet the minimum requirements but you'll have to turn the settings so far down you might burst into tears when you remember how much you paid.

The way the hardware market progresses you would be FAR better off spending half (or less) of your budget now and investing the rest for 2-3 years then upgrading again.

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He also said two 512 mb GPU's would be better than one 1 gig GPU, does that sound right?


Setting aside that the high end is 4 GB now, I wouldn't use memory as a measurement for GPU performance. It's important but only in the respect that it supports the processing core of the GPU. You could have a ton of memory but if the core is weak the whole product will be weak.

Perhaps the essence of what he's getting at is that top end bleeding edge hardware is exponentially more expensive per FPS of rendering speed. Buying two mid range cards is usually cheaper and sometimes faster than the best single cards. They do it because some people will pay a premium for the best possible performance now and they'll do it again next year. It goes back to what I said: buy what you can afford to upgrade on a 2 year cycle because tomorrow's cheap hardware will crush today's expensive hardware.
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jimbrax wrote:
Grimwold wrote:
If you're folding and gaming at the same time


folding?


I think he's trying to manipulate the space-time weave to travel to distant galaxies. That will probably require more RAM and a better processor.
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Ditto on checking the ARS guide.

However, as I used to regularly build my own systems, and now find it too annoying to be bothered with - I had a local shop build my last one - I won't be of much help!
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mylittlepwny wrote:


Tom's has a great video card guide also:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-rev...

There is a new one each month.
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UPDATE #1
-Saving some money by dropping the RAM, and the mobo.
And spending a little more on the SSD
Will probably drop cpu, and gpu in the end.

CPU:
Intel Core i7-2700K Sandy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623i72700K

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Windows 7
-I have no idea between versions of this Home Premium, Professional, and Ultimate editions which I should buy.

GPU:
EVGA 02G-P4-2670-KR GeForce GTX 670 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

RAM:
Crucial CT2CP51264BC1067 8GB 204-PIN PC3-8500 SODIMM DDR3 (4GBx2)

CT2CP51264BC1067

MOBO:
ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

P8Z77-V LK

SSD
Corsair Force Series 3 CSSD-F60GB3A-BK 2.5" 60GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

CSSD-F60GB3A-BK

HDD
Hitachi Deskstar 3.5" 2TB 7200RPM SATA III 32MB Cache Internal Hard Drive 0S02861

DVD/CD RW Drive
Lite-On LightScribe 24X SATA DVD+/-RW Dual Layer Drive IHAS424-98 - Retail (Black)

PSU:
OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W Modular High Performance Power Supply compatible with Intel Sandybridge Core i3 i5 i7 and AMD Phenom

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COOLER MASTER HAF 932 Advanced RC-932-KKN5-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case with USB 3.0, Black Interior and Four Fans-1x 230mm front RED LED fan, 1x 140mm rear fan, 1x 230mm top fan, and 1x 230mm side fan
- More than I would like to spend, but my pc will be in the attic and it gets to over 100 degrees fahrenheit up there so I feel I need a lot of space and cooling capability.
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I just built about a year ago. I would say 3-4 years is max and that depends on how cutting edge you want to stay. sometimes a GPU upgrade is all thats needed. speaking of... nice rig!
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I just built about a year ago. I would say 3-4 years is max and that depends on how cutting edge you want to stay. sometimes a GPU upgrade is all thats needed. speaking of... nice rig!


Not for me, my pc was all malware and cooked.

By the way, is there a safe way for me to get any data from my old HDD, or will I just be giving my new pc all the old malware?
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