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clemens kremer
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I just watched the *Stefan Feld presents the prototype of "Die Burgen von Burgund"* video here on BGG and wondered what happened to the expert rules he mentiones in it... For those that did not watch the video (or don't speak German ), he first explains the game, using his prototype, then mentiones the expert rules:
-One extra good is revealed per turn (6 instead of 5, more actions in a turn)
-One extra space to store tiles on your player board (4 instead of 3)
-Every space to store tiles comes with a marker, once you stored a tile on your board the marker is removed and the space can no longer be used to store another tile. You can use one of your actions to reset two markers (have the spaces available again for storage) and he mentioned that some buidlings could give you back markers as well...

Mr. Feld said in the video that (paraphrased) : 'This ads a nice layer to the game and presents more challenging decisions...'

Anyone know why the rules were dropped from the final game ?

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Well whatever happened to it, they got rid of it quite late...

This is the (according to comments form the picture) near final prototype they used in Essen 2010. Note the extra storage spot (covered up by a tile) and the extra 'dots' near the storage spots that hold the markers in the expert version...
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Mik Svellov
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The designer often has additional stuff that he wants to add to his game, but the final say is the publisher's, in this case Stefan Brück (alea).

Since the rules demands new player boards, they were probably dumped in favor more versability for ordinary gamers (ie. more regular boards) - and it also leaves something to add for the next alea Treasure Chest for the 15th anniversary?
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Florian Trabert
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The expert rules have been published in the german magazin "Spielbox", you can find the rules right here on the geek. Not need to wait for a anniversary edition:

http://boardgamegeek.com/image/1128880/the-castles-of-burgun...

I don´t have tested these rules so far, but the don´t convince me, since they seem to make gameplay less flexible.

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Only a small part of them! And they are only playable with the four new maps...
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flott wrote:
The expert rules have been published in the german magazin "Spielbox", you can find the rules right here on the geek. Not need to wait for a anniversary edition:

http://boardgamegeek.com/image/1128880/the-castles-of-burgun...

I don´t have tested these rules so far, but the don´t convince me, since they seem to make gameplay less flexible.

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Flott

Thanks for posting this, but these rules are nothing like the ones that are discussed in the video... They also only work with the new player boards.
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ckremer2 wrote:
flott wrote:
The expert rules have been published in the german magazin "Spielbox", you can find the rules right here on the geek. Not need to wait for a anniversary edition:

http://boardgamegeek.com/image/1128880/the-castles-of-burgun...

I don´t have tested these rules so far, but the don´t convince me, since they seem to make gameplay less flexible.

Best wishes
Flott

Thanks for posting this, but these rules are nothing like the ones that are discussed in the video... They also only work with the new player boards.


Slightly off topic, when Spielbox includes something like "player boards" are they thicker than normal pages in the magazine? I have never seen the Spielbox magazine, but have thought of picking up an issue or two for the game expansions only, always balk, because of price (US) and clueless of what you get.
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They're the same thickness as the original boards. They're slipped in between pages of the magazine.
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There are also 6 spaces for shipping goods on the prototype board instead of 4. How many actions did Stephen say there were for the expert rules?

It would be cool to see an "official" set of expert rules. It looks like it would be easy to implement the expert rules with the current game with the exception of not having the tiles to get markers back. Other than that, all that is needed are bits to use as markers and a way to mark your player mat to have extra spaces for estate tiles and shipping goods. My player mats are laminated, so I could simply use a Sharpie to mark the additional spaces.

EDIT: I looked at the shipping goods spaces a little more and now I see that it looks like there are 3 spaces for goods with a space for sold goods for each (total of 6 spaces). The published game has 3 spaces for shipping goods and 1 space for sold goods (total of 4 spaces). I am curious if the expert rules changed anything with the goods.
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