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Just thought I would share that...

It's curmudgeonly.
 
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Why? In what way is it curmudgeonly? Or are you a curmudgeon?
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I like the word strategy but I feel it's being overused in this genre to the point where it's meaningless
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There's only one thing to do... grab the thesaurus!


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Definition:

plan of action

Synonyms:

action, angle, approach, artifice, blueprint*, brainchild, craft, cunning, design, game, game plan, gimmick, grand design, layout, maneuvering, method, plan, planning, policy, procedure, program, project, proposition, racket, scenario, scene, scheme, setup, slant, story, subtlety, system, tactics


Hmmm, maybe not.
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How do you feel about strategery?
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I think it's a word that has collected more synonyms than a grooming brush collects cat hair. Makes it a bit of "slut" word, come to think it.

You have to be careful to indicate your context, when using it, or it does end up meaning little.
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Clive65 wrote:
Or are you a curmudgeon?


That's probably the issue here.

"Strategy" has just as much meaning for me as "strategery" at this point!
 
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I think the problem with the word strategy is often used incorrectly. A strategy is a plan of action that you use when starting a game. In The Princes of Florence players may use the Joker strategy. Strategies can be changed during game play but they still remain the big picture NOT the smaller choices and decisions made during the game.

When a publisher uses the term "a strategy game" I think they use it somewhat incorrectly. Having choices and limitations and decisions to make does not make the game a game of strategy. Strategy is something the individual decides upon. Hope that makes sense.
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Clive65 wrote:
I think the problem with the word strategy is often used incorrectly. A strategy is a plan of action that you use when starting a game. In The Princes of Florence players may use the Joker strategy. Strategies can be changed during game play but they still remain the big picture NOT the smaller choices and decisions made during the game.

When a publisher uses the term "a strategy game" I think they use it somewhat incorrectly. Having choices and limitations and decisions to make does not make the game a game of strategy. Strategy is something the individual decides upon. Hope that makes sense.


That's the typical definition of it in relation to gaming. But, I think "adhering to XYZ principles" is also strategic. The tactics vs. strategy discussion is tiresome for me now.

My overall strategy is going to inform my tactical decisions. I understand it gets confusing when gamers approach from different extremes... say 18xx versus Magic: The Gathering.

The term is equally valid in both cases. I think it's really the time frame between meaningful and earth-shattering decisions that people are quibbling about. In Magic, I may make 10 game breaking decisions in a 20 minute match. In 18xx, I may make 15 game breaking decisions in a 3 hour game. I'm pulling numbers out of the air there.

Your mileage my vary from game to game. None of these classifications are working for me. Strategy. Family Game. Gateway Game. Euro Game. They need a reboot.

I am a curmudgeon.
 
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I think we need some term to address "the totality of choices the player makes in a game", and since I do not know a better word, I use the word strategy for that. Of course, this usage is different from the usage when one compares (long-term) strategy with (short-term) tactics.
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eekamouse wrote:
Clive65 wrote:
I think the problem with the word strategy is often used incorrectly. A strategy is a plan of action that you use when starting a game. In The Princes of Florence players may use the Joker strategy. Strategies can be changed during game play but they still remain the big picture NOT the smaller choices and decisions made during the game.

When a publisher uses the term "a strategy game" I think they use it somewhat incorrectly. Having choices and limitations and decisions to make does not make the game a game of strategy. Strategy is something the individual decides upon. Hope that makes sense.


That's the typical definition of it in relation to gaming. But, I think "adhering to XYZ principles" is also strategic. The tactics vs. strategy discussion is tiresome for me now.

My overall strategy is going to inform my tactical decisions. I understand it gets confusing when gamers approach from different extremes... say 18xx versus Magic: The Gathering.

The term is equally valid in both cases. I think it's really the time frame between meaningful and earth-shattering decisions that people are quibbling about. In Magic, I may make 10 game breaking decisions in a 20 minute match. In 18xx, I may make 15 game breaking decisions in a 3 hour game. I'm pulling numbers out of the air there.

Your mileage my vary from game to game. None of these classifications are working for me. Strategy. Family Game. Gateway Game. Euro Game. They need a reboot.

I am a curmudgeon.


How would you start rebooting them?
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Clive65 wrote:

How would you start rebooting them?


That's a job for someone else. I will just whine about it in the meantime. devil
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dawn_cherri wrote:
Agree they possibly need a reboot but also agree is it worth the effort and disruption?


My philosophy is that disruption is always worth the effort. This next statement is a bit extreme for a board game discussion, but:

"Complacency is the devil."
 
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I don't like the term Euro...many games come out of Europe and they are not all Euros!!! shake
Many are coming out of North America does that make them Namericans? meeple

Let me join the curmudgeon club!
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Clive65 wrote:
I don't like the term Euro...many games come out of Europe and they are not all Euros!!! shake
Many are coming out of North America does that make them Namericans? meeple

Let me join the curmudgeon club!


Meanings change over time, to some extent. Euro game as well all know no longer means "game from Europe" but simply "game fashioned in the same stylings, roughly, as the stereotypical games that were coming out of Europe in the 90's and early 2000's". Or something close to that.
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I think it gets confusing also because "strategy game" really tends to mean "game with interesting decisions" without regard to whether those decisions are technically strategic or tactical.
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It's days like this that I wish Google's 'contextbot' worked.
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cferejohn wrote:
I think it gets confusing also because "strategy game" really tends to mean "game with interesting decisions" without regard to whether those decisions are technically strategic or tactical.


Or sometimes... if those decisions are even "interesting"!
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bchlax944 wrote:
Clive65 wrote:
I don't like the term Euro...many games come out of Europe and they are not all Euros!!! shake
Many are coming out of North America does that make them Namericans? meeple

Let me join the curmudgeon club!


Meanings change over time, to some extent. Euro game as well all know no longer means "game from Europe" but simply "game fashioned in the same stylings, roughly, as the stereotypical games that were coming out of Europe in the 90's and early 2000's". Or something close to that.


I know - I was just being a curmudgeon
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eekamouse wrote:
Just thought I would share that...

It's curmudgeonly.
So... You like to use the curmudgeon strategy?
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So is there no strategy in your upcoming game?

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The word strategy is used in gaming circles in a very broad way, so that making any interesting decisions in a skillful way in a board game counts as "strategy". Regardless of the question whether this usage blurs the original meaning of the word, I support the broad usage, since it describes a thing a board gamer wants to have a name for.

For example, it is nice to have a short term "Strategy" for strategy sections in rule booklets. If we start nitpicking, what should they be called? Strategy and tactics sections? Or perhaps only tactics sections for those games that involve only tactics? Or skillful play -sections?

This of course means that almost all board games can be called strategy games. But when classifying games other than board games, this broad sense is useful. For example, petangue could be called a game of strategy and accuracy, since when you decide how to throw your ball, you encounter choices that are similar to choices in board games, whereas ten-pin bowling could not be called a game of strategy and accuracy, since there are no such choices in ten-pin bowling.
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I hate the word "curmudgeonly".
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Kind of an important term in historical war games, but I guess it board games it can certainly be used to death
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In the pages of history it will explain the way spiritual people abused the word ‘energy’. Next it will talk about board-gamers and the word ’strategy’.
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