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Chris Stimpson
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So.

A non-grognard sees a wargame (Napoleonic Wars, Paths of Glory, Case Blue....) set up on your table, and utters the unforgivable question.

What's your standard response? (Physical violence not permitted for purposes of this survey )
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Because of your parenthetical statement, I can't answer!
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Happened to me and another BGG'er last summer, as we were playing Storm Over Stalingrad in a hotel lobby. A younger person (mid-teens) asked that very question. My answer, which I delivered in what I hope was a polite and friendly manner, was, "yes, in a lot of ways it is. With this game, they just made the rules a little more realistic and complicated, and made the game about a real battle instead of a generic war." The person who asked seemed satisfied with that answer, nodded in acknowledgement, watched for another minute, and walked on. I figured there was no reason to be a jerk to a complete stranger who took the time to ask about the game, and who knows, maybe down the road that person will pursue an interest in the hobby themselves.

Here is a picture I took with my cellphone from that experience!

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"Yes, Risk on steroids...."
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"Why yes! Care to learn and join me?"

Because let's face it 98% of the time we are playing solo.
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I like to say:

"I appreciate that you are using an understandably limited frame of reference to engage with me over something you think we may have in common. If you care to sit down I'll try to explain all the ways the game is like Risk and all the ways it isn't. We can even play a few turns if you have the time. By the way I'm not a curmudgeonly, elitist, windbag like most wargamers so don't try your Risk Gambit too often. Would you like a drink?"

Actually now that I think about it, I AM a curmudgeonly, elitist, windbag but I'd try not to let the mask slip. Booze should help.
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desertfox2004 wrote:
Happened to me and another BGG'er last summer, as we were playing Storm Over Stalingrad in a hotel lobby. A younger person (mid-teens) asked that very question. My answer, which I delivered in what I hope was a polite and friendly manner, was, "yes, in a lot of ways it is. With this game, they just made the rules a little more realistic and complicated, and made the game about a real battle instead of a generic war." The person who asked seemed satisfied with that answer, nodded in acknowledgement, watched for another minute, and walked on. I figured there was no reason to be a jerk to a complete stranger who took the time to ask about the game, and who knows, maybe down the road that person will pursue an interest in the hobby themselves.


I think you nailed it.

A thought I had though, don't most wargames in progress look more like Stratego than Risk? Maybe Stratego is more obscure.
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cstimpson wrote:
So.

A non-grognard sees a wargame (Napoleonic Wars, Paths of Glory, Case Blue....) set up on your table, and utters the unforgivable question.

What's your standard response? (Physical violence not permitted for purposes of this survey )


Yes. Yes it is. Want to play?
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A few years ago I came home after playing Case Blue all day and the gf had a few friends over and I tried to explain to them what I had been doing, and Risk was the best comparison I could come up with.
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cstimpson wrote:
A non-grognard sees a wargame (Napoleonic Wars, Paths of Glory, Case Blue....) set up on your table, and utters the unforgivable question.


Unforgivable? Not in the least. How on earth could I blame someone for using the vocabulary they have to describe something as best as that vocabulary allows?

I'm happy to give them a more expansive vocabulary to understand wargaming more precisely, but in the meantime, getting upset is pointless. Doing so would be like getting upset when someone asks, 'Ecru? That's a sort of brownish color, right?'
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Anyone who takes offense at that question is just doing themselves and the hobby as a whole a disservice.
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Kind of reminds of this TRUE STORY from my naive youth. Don't know exactly how old I was but I was no more than 10 or 12, I'm sure.


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"I don't know. What's Risk! "
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Eldard wrote:
"I don't know. What's Risk! "


Risk is when she says, she is incapable of bearing children and you believe her.
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desertfox2004 wrote:
The person who asked seemed satisfied with that answer, nodded in acknowledgement, watched for another minute, and walked on.


After which he promptly went back to resume his PSP game.
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"A little bit, but it's based on real historical events. Ever heard of the Napoleonic Wars/WWI/the Russian Front?." And then you go from there, depending on their response.
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desertfox2004 wrote:
Happened to me and another BGG'er last summer, as we were playing Storm Over Stalingrad in a hotel lobby. A younger person (mid-teens) asked that very question. My answer, which I delivered in what I hope was a polite and friendly manner, was, "yes, in a lot of ways it is. With this game, they just made the rules a little more realistic and complicated, and made the game about a real battle instead of a generic war." The person who asked seemed satisfied with that answer, nodded in acknowledgement, watched for another minute, and walked on. I figured there was no reason to be a jerk to a complete stranger who took the time to ask about the game, and who knows, maybe down the road that person will pursue an interest in the hobby themselves.

Here is a picture I took with my cellphone from that experience!


I noticed you weren't using the Australia Barricade offensive, what kind of game are you playin' at?
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LanceRunolfsson wrote:
Eldard wrote:
"I don't know. What's Risk! "


Risk is when she says, she is incapable of bearing children and you believe her.


That's not "Risk." That's "Yes!"
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I like to use the answer, "yes, and no". First I affirm the ways the game I am playing is similar to Risk. This helps them get the necessary frame of reference to be able to understand when I tell them all the wonderful ways it is different.
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LanceRunolfsson wrote:
Eldard wrote:
"I don't know. What's Risk! "


Risk is when she says, she is incapable of bearing children and you believe her.


But then sometimes you end up with gorgeous kids - see avatar
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It's not a surprising comment from somebody who has little knowledge of wargames. Kind of like when people hear that I like jazz, and tell me they just love Kenny G. In most cases you won't want to spend the time it would take to educate them about the differences, and in most cases they won't want to hear it anyway. There are those moments where everything clicks, you give it a go, and it turns out well, but they are rare.
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