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Have A Few Acres of Snow, Washington's War, and 1812 the invasion of Canada. So for the American Civil War, what would be a good choice for the same strategic level game as those three?
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Based on the games mentioned, the obvious choice would be For the People. Outstanding CDG version of the ACW.
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DownriverRick wrote:
Based on the games mentioned, the obvious choice would be For the People. Outstanding CDG version of the ACW.


It is, though more complex than the three above.

Also a nod to the best strategic ACW game ever, The Civil War, but it's long out of print so you'd have to find a used copy.
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For the People is also out of print
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For the People is also out of print

Oh, darn. Then I guess the only choice will be A House Divided, which is about to go into its fourth printing (available for preorder from Mayfair Games).
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"For the People is also out of print"

But not difficult to pickup (10 copies for sale and nearly ninety for trade here on the Geek).

I wouldn't waste my time with 'House Divided'.
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SCUGrad wrote:
For the People is also out of print


Out of print yet easy to get. Also my recommendation.
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wifwendell wrote:

Also a nod to the best strategic ACW game ever, The Civil War, but it's long out of print so you'd have to find a used copy.


Concur. There are a lot of copies around, and they do come up for sale with reasonable frequency. The WGA unofficial 3rd edition rules, which can be found in the files section on the game page here at BGG, are an improvement on an already excellent game. There is also an excellent Vassal module and a very active pbem crowd that usually connects via Consimworld.
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Decision games is thinking of doing an American Civil War game using the same system as Axis Empires: Totaler Krieg!, Axis Empires: Dai Senso! and Storm of Steel

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I patiently await ...
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jeb123 wrote:
Decision games is thinking of doing an American Civil War game using the same system as Axis Empires: Totaler Krieg!, Axis Empires: Dai Senso! and Storm of Steel


Storm of Steel is NOT the same system as AETK/AEDS. Not remotely the same...
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I personally found VG's The Civil War overwhelming, but then again I got it when I was 12 and was trying to learn it solo. I LOVE For the People though. Also I am quite fond of Blue vs. Gray which is very interesting, but has rules that are just unique, not hard to play once you learn them, just it's not like any other wargame, so it's a little less smooth to pick up.

Also the game C.S.A. America's Civil War 1861-1865 gets points for being a unique look at the war, and packing a HUGE amount of little details and options into a very small game. The combat system is so different that it might take you a few battles before you understand how to plan a fight out.
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FWIW, Lincoln's War is apparently still going through final playtesting, but has a ways to go from its preorder numbers to see it in print.

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A card driven Civil War game that is less complex than For the People, but more detailed than the Price of Freedom. The map uses hexes of approximately 70-80-miles across. With exceptions for certain commanders, combat is without dice.


From what I've read about it, it's really got an interesting political angle to it, involving quite a bit of historical players you don't see in other games.

Shamelessly lifted from MMP's website:

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Lincoln’s War is a two to four player, “broad strokes” political approach to the Civil War, covering the 1861 call to arms through the fateful 1864 Presidential election. Political but no less combative, Lincoln’s War offers a unique, dice-less combat system, the introduction of 132 military and political personality cards—including 14 seditious characters, the challenge of juggling political resources (essentially victory points) to conducting military campaigns while maintaining national morale, make Lincoln’s War a delightfully fresh approach to the American Civil War.

Lincoln’s War is a card driven, hex-movement game lasting seven turns representing six months. Lincoln’s War takes two to three hours to play.

Each turn consists of six alternating phases: Initiative; Administration; Naval and Rail; Operations Card play; Supply; and Timekeeping.

Each turn, players are dealt a nine card hand they must use to make a myriad of decisions, including: banking political capitol, undermining the enemy’s moral, issuing marching orders, nudging reluctant generals into action, initiating battle, promoting worthy leaders, repairing battle damage, investing in a naval strategy, or setting political capitol aside to support the combat of favored generals. You, as the players, do all this, while dealing with seditious countrymen who erode your political support.


http://www.multimanpublishing.com/tabid/58/CategoryID/2/Prod...

So, maybe you'll see that over the horizon (2013?) as an alternative strategic-level ACW CDG to consider.

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This post was solely a public service announcement for the topic.

MMP-bashing is unwarranted in this thread, poor form, and I shant appreciate it. angry
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Maybe the yet-to-be-released Lincoln's War will scratch that itch for you.

Edit: Beat me by 20-seconds to it!
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arthurchance wrote:
Have A Few Acres of Snow, Washington's War, and 1812 the invasion of Canada. So for the American Civil War, what would be a good choice for the same strategic level game as those three?


For the People is an excellent choice. Still lurking on the shelves at countless game stores, and I suspect GMT will do a reprint. Or, you can buy or trade for one of the copies listed on BGG.

The biggest advantage to this game will be the similarity to Washington's War. Similar mechanic, and you will probably find it easy to pick up.

I have played quite a few games of this classic, and think you would probably enjoy it, based on the three games you have listed above.

 
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Though For the People & The Civil War are great games, if the OP likes the games he has listed and the level of difficulty to play they represent, A House Divided looks to be a better choice.
The play difficulty and time required of For the People & The Civil War puts them way over any of the 3 games listed, which are on the lighter end of the war game scale.
I guess it is up to the OP how heavy of a game he wants and the play time he wants it to play in.

I also agree that Lincoln's War just might be what we are waiting for. There is also The Price of Freedom: The American Civil War 1861-1865, but it really has not received much buzz.
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ScottH wrote:
Though For the People & The Civil War are great games, if the OP likes the games he as listed and the level of difficulty to play they represent, A House Divided looks to be a better choice.
The play difficulty and time required of For the People & The Civil War puts them way over any of the 3 games listed, which are on the lighter end of the war game scale.


This. +1
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I will resist my first impulse which was to say only "Case Blue" and leave.

Instead for the ultimate in complexity and accuracy I'll say it's ACW representative, War Between The States (second edition).

But yeah.... Wendell was right. The best choice for a truer wargame experience would be The Civil War. WBtS is for the grognards.
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xlhrider wrote:
I will resist my first impulse which was to say only "Case Blue" and leave.

Instead for the ultimate in complexity and accuracy I'll say it's ACW representative, War Between The States (second edition).

But yeah.... Wendell was right. The best choice for a truer wargame experience would be The Civil War. WBtS is for the grognards.


Ditto, and another plug here for the little known C.S.A. America's Civil War 1861-1865
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billyboy wrote:
xlhrider wrote:
I will resist my first impulse which was to say only "Case Blue" and leave.

Instead for the ultimate in complexity and accuracy I'll say it's ACW representative, War Between The States (second edition).

But yeah.... Wendell was right. The best choice for a truer wargame experience would be The Civil War. WBtS is for the grognards.


Ditto, and another plug here for the little known C.S.A. America's Civil War 1861-1865


Another voice added to the chorus. +1 and thumbsup
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It's a bit different from the games mentioned before, but Blue vs. Gray is a fun game and a good simulation of the conflict
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wifwendell wrote:
jeb123 wrote:
Decision games is thinking of doing an American Civil War game using the same system as Axis Empires: Totaler Krieg!, Axis Empires: Dai Senso! and Storm of Steel


Storm of Steel is NOT the same system as AETK/AEDS. Not remotely the same...


My mistake ...

It is based on Axis Empire: Total Krieg/Dai Senso
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I suggest you consider Bobby Lee, the best Civil War block game ever made!





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While 'moi' shall 'counter-suggest' with thus: The Vicksburg Campaign cool


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I'll go for The Civil War. Oldie, a bit ugly but maybe the best strategic ACW boardgame.
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xlhrider wrote:
I will resist my first impulse which was to say only "Case Blue" and leave.


In that case:

Case Blue and Gray
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