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Tim K
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I just finished reading the rules and I'll start my first play probably this weekend. 1989 didn't grab my attention during development, but I'm looking forward to it. Students, elites, intellectuals, and power struggles provide interesting twists on a game that otherwise appears to be much like Twilight Struggle.

Anyway, most of the mapboard locations are in Polish, German, Romanian, and other central and eastern European languages. I thought it would be fun to develop a pronunciation guide.

I'll get it started. I studied German for three years in high school. I'm also 3/4 Polish and 1/4 Slovak, and I know how to pronounce a lot of Polish words. Since some Slavic languages are similar, I'll take a stab at a few other words. Of course, BGG's German, Polish, and other native speakers are encouraged to correct me in the likelihood I make a few mistakes. (Please be gentle; one reason I'm creating this list is to see if my language pronunciations are accurate.) It would also be great if Magyar, Romanian, Bulgarian, Czech, and Slovak speakers helped complete the guide.

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East Germany
Schwerin - SHVAIR-in
Berlin - bare-LEEN
Walter Ulbricht - VAHL-ter UL-brickt (note the German "hard c" sound is more in the back of one's throat)
Magdeburg - MOG-duh-boorg (like oo in "too")
Halle - HOLL-uh
Leipzig - LIPE-tsig
Efrurt - AIR-foort
Stadt - Shtot
Dresden - DRAYS-din (with a gutteral German "r")

Poland
Szczecin - SHTCHET-sin
Gdansk - g-DINSK (long i as in "dine")
Bydgoszcz - bid-GOSHTCH
Poznan - POSE-nin
Warszawa - var-SHAHV-ah
Bialystok - bee-AH-wi-stock
Wroclaw - VROTS-wov
Lodz - wooj (oo as in book)
Katowice - kat-oh-VEETS-uh
Krakow - KRA-kov
Lublin - LOOB-lin (oo as in book)
Jagiellonian - yog-ee-el-OWN-ee-en

Czechoslovakia
Ostrava - aw-STRAHV-ah
Bratislava - brot-i-SLAHV-ah

Hungary
Debrecen - deb-RETS-in
Szeged - SHEH-ged

Okay, some help with the rest? I'd really enjoy learning the correct pronunciations of all the mapboard place names.

Tim K.

P.S. I understand two of my great-great grandfathers are from Lodz and Bratislava.
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Thanks, Ted. I think my Polish got a passing grade.
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I could help wit pronuncing of Romanian cities names. First of all just to note that Romanian is a strongly phonetical language so most of names are "pronounced-as-spelled" and difficulties comes mainly from special/additional vovels ... whistle
Also t and s with comma under them - ț and ș - are letters for sh and respectively tz sound.

Cluj-Napoca - as is spelled, but to be more clear maybe write it this way : Cluj Napoka ( with accent on second word ... it's something amusing here ).
Craiova - again : Kraiova.
București - something like : Bukureshti.
Constanța ~ Konstantza.
Iași ~ Yashy.
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How do you pronounce j in Cluj? Is it Cluy (as a German j), Cludj (as an English j) or Cluh (as a Spanish j) ?
 
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I think 'Cludj' is probably closest although I tend to lengthen the 'u' sound so it's more like Clooojh.

I see no-one has given guidance on 'Szekesfehervar' yet - we have taken to calling it 'Unpronouncable' in our game
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htjester wrote:
I just finished reading the rules and I'll start my first play probably this weekend. 1989 didn't grab my attention during development, but I'm looking forward to it. Students, elites, intellectuals, and power struggles provide interesting twists on a game that otherwise appears to be much like Twilight Struggle.

Anyway, most of the mapboard locations are in Polish, German, Romanian, and other central and eastern European languages. I thought it would be fun to develop a pronunciation guide.

I'll get it started. I studied German for three years in high school. I'm also 3/4 Polish and 1/4 Slovak, and I know how to pronounce a lot of Polish words. Since some Slavic languages are similar, I'll take a stab at a few other words. Of course, BGG's German, Polish, and other native speakers are encouraged to correct me in the likelihood I make a few mistakes. (Please be gentle; one reason I'm creating this list is to see if my language pronunciations are accurate.) It would also be great if Magyar, Romanian, Bulgarian, Czech, and Slovak speakers helped complete the guide.

*******

East Germany
Schwerin - SHVAIR-in
Berlin - bare-LEEN
Walter Ulbricht - VAHL-ter UL-brickt (note the German "hard c" sound is more in the back of one's throat)
Magdeburg - MOG-duh-boorg (like oo in "too")
Halle - HOLL-uh
Leipzig - LIPE-tsig
Efrurt - AIR-foort
Stadt - Shtot
Dresden - DRAYS-din (with a gutteral German "r")

Poland
Szczecin - SHTCHET-sin
Gdansk - g-DINSK (long i as in "dine")
Bydgoszcz - bid-GOSHTCH
Poznan - POSE-nin
Warszawa - var-SHAHV-ah
Bialystok - bee-AH-wi-stock
Wroclaw - VROTS-wov
Lodz - wooj (oo as in book)
Katowice - kat-oh-VEETS-uh
Krakow - KRA-kov
Lublin - LOOB-lin (oo as in book)
Jagiellonian - yog-ee-el-OWN-ee-en

Czechoslovakia
Ostrava - aw-STRAHV-ah
Bratislava - brot-i-SLAHV-ah

Hungary
Debrecen - deb-RETS-in
Szeged - SHEH-ged

Okay, some help with the rest? I'd really enjoy learning the correct pronunciations of all the mapboard place names.

Tim K.

P.S. I understand two of my great-great grandfathers are from Lodz and Bratislava.


Sorry mate I need to correct you on the Hungarian cities. Szeged is "Sehgehd" (shehged means "your ass" ). In Polish sz is pronounced as sh, but in Hungarian sz is pronounced as "s" and s is pronounced as "sh". Also, Debrecen is "dehbretzehn"

Other Hungarian cities:
Pécs - paych
Győr - jur (as in jury... not quite but close enough)
Tatabánya - tahtahbaanya (baa as in "baa baa black sheep")
Szombathely - sohmbahthay
Székesfehérvár - SaykashfaHayrvahr (the capital H is pronounced)
Miskolc - Mishkohltz
Budapest - Boodahpehsht

(links to Wikipedia sound files)
Szeged
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Hu-Szeged...

Debrecen
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Hu-Debrec...

Pécs
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Hu-P%C3%A...

Győr
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Hu-Gy%C3%...

Miskolc
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Hu-Miskol...

Székesfehérvár
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Hu-Sz%C3%...

Budapest
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Hu-Budape...
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fardoche wrote:
How do you pronounce j in Cluj? Is it Cluy (as a German j), Cludj (as an English j) or Cluh (as a Spanish j) ?


Like in English.
And not necessary with "long u" - like oo in English.

And let's continue :

Brașov ~ Brashov ( a is pronounced unmodified like in ... women's bra ).
Timișoara ( incidentally the city where I live now ) - this one seems to be hardest for a non-native speaker ~ Ti-mi-shoa ( pronunced like at beginning of "one" in English ) -ra.
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I haven't checked this thread in a while. Coincidentally I see in the last few days there's been some new posts. Thanks to all for your inputs. Still hope we can get some Bulgarians, Czechs, and Slovaks to chime in.

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Sorry mate I need to correct you on the Hungarian cities. Szeged is "Sehgehd" (shehged means "your ass" ). In Polish sz is pronounced as sh, but in Hungarian sz is pronounced as "s" and s is pronounced as "sh".


Interesting, I did not know that. Thanks for the clarification.

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Also, Debrecen is "dehbretzehn"


Is that eh as the Canadians say it, rhymes with "day"? Or a short e as in "let"?

Perhaps your links answer these questions. I'll take a look.

Tim
 
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htjester wrote:
I haven't checked this thread in a while. Coincidentally I see in the last few days there's been some new posts. Thanks to all for your inputs. Still hope we can get some Bulgarians, Czechs, and Slovaks to chime in.

vidra wrote:
Sorry mate I need to correct you on the Hungarian cities. Szeged is "Sehgehd" (shehged means "your ass" :) ). In Polish sz is pronounced as sh, but in Hungarian sz is pronounced as "s" and s is pronounced as "sh".


Interesting, I did not know that. Thanks for the clarification.

vidra wrote:
Also, Debrecen is "dehbretzehn"


Is that eh as the Canadians say it, rhymes with "day"? Or a short e as in "let"?

Perhaps your links answer these questions. I'll take a look.

Tim


It's like "a" in bad, sad, mad.
 
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Hi,

interesting thread :-)

I would like to add some comments on the German section:

htjester wrote:


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Walter Ulbricht - VAHL-ter UL-brickt (note the German "hard c" sound is more in the back of one's throat)


That one's really difficult to explain in writing; the sound does not exist in English in the same way "th" doesn't in German.

Quote:

Magdeburg - MOG-duh-boorg (like oo in "too")


The "a" should be pronounced like in "past" or "far", the "e" like in "text".

Quote:

Halle - HOLL-uh
Stadt - Shtot
Dresden - DRAYS-din


See above.

My 2ct ;-)

Marcus
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