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I am unashamedly a huge fan; so, my poll is asking about GMT and Mark Miklos doing a sendup of Yorktown using their BoAR series.

I don't think anyone has done a game about this of late; the only one I can recall is York Town.

So, give me your opinion...

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Would you like GMT and Mark Miklos to do a version of the siege of Yorktown for the BoAR series?
Yes, I would DEFINITELY pre-order this
Yes, if it is made I'd purchase this once it's released
No, I would not care for this battle to be included in the series
No, I'd like the game to be designed, but not in this series
I don't play games from GMT's BoAR series
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I hope Mark and GMT see this, and I hope people want it. I know I DO!

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Siege's don't excite me. That's why I never ordered Pensacola and that's why I traded away Savannah.

I prefer other ones in the series: especially if they are solitaire-capable if you remove the tactics chits (which I do).
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airjudden wrote:
Siege's don't excite me. That's why I never ordered Pensacola and that's why I traded away Savannah.

I prefer other ones in the series: especially if they are solitaire-capable if you remove the tactics chits (which I do).


That was my experience with Savannah, although I still have hopes for Pensacola. It seems they picked a more interesting battle. I'd get Yorktown simply because it was the siege that decided the war, arguably the birthplace of our nation. Also I could send Alexander Hamilton into battle and command the French army too.

That being said, the series is running out of large battles to simulate. They could still do Long Island, and others could be included as 2-4 games in a box. Mostly I'm hoping to see Camden get some coverage (and offer the possibility of avoiding Gates's folly).
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Pensacola is the only game in the series I don't have. I may have to correct that situation...we'll see.
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gittes wrote:


That being said, the series is running out of large battles to simulate. They could still do Long Island, and others could be included as 2-4 games in a box. Mostly I'm hoping to see Camden get some coverage (and offer the possibility of avoiding Gates's folly).


Would it be able to do French and Indian War?

When you said folly it just made me think of Braddock's Defeat.
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LgRangeContactPatrol wrote:
gittes wrote:


That being said, the series is running out of large battles to simulate. They could still do Long Island, and others could be included as 2-4 games in a box. Mostly I'm hoping to see Camden get some coverage (and offer the possibility of avoiding Gates's folly).


Would it be able to do French and Indian War?

When you said folly it just made me think of Braddock's Defeat.


Actually I think they should shift to smaller Napoleonic and Civil War battles. I'd gobble up a GMT style game on Wilson's Creek.
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LgRangeContactPatrol wrote:
gittes wrote:


That being said, the series is running out of large battles to simulate. They could still do Long Island, and others could be included as 2-4 games in a box. Mostly I'm hoping to see Camden get some coverage (and offer the possibility of avoiding Gates's folly).


Would it be able to do French and Indian War?

When you said folly it just made me think of Braddock's Defeat.


How about Quebec?
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I only have one of the Revolution games, but I think its design would best be used for the smaller scale battles before Napoleon. For Napoleonics, I would rather see the Great Battles of the Napoleonic Wars get picked up again. The reason is that it could best cover smaller actions for those who don't have time for a full scale Austerlitz. Jena Auerstadt, for instance, is a collection of small battles and would suit it very well. Plus, Prussians have more swag and need to get the treatment at least once.
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In the same way that I'd love to see a Yorktown game, I was thinking that the best extension of some of the mechanisms in Savannah and Pensacola beyond the AWI would be to do a game on the battle of New Orleans. Give Pakenham some room to maneuver or variable entry for Laffitte? Sign me up.

Similarly, I'd love to see Yorktown include a "Gloucester breakout" scenario, to game how well the British could have gotten away if they'd been able to cross the river that night.
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gittes wrote:
airjudden wrote:
Siege's don't excite me. That's why I never ordered Pensacola and that's why I traded away Savannah.

I prefer other ones in the series: especially if they are solitaire-capable if you remove the tactics chits (which I do).


That was my experience with Savannah, although I still have hopes for Pensacola. It seems they picked a more interesting battle. I'd get Yorktown simply because it was the siege that decided the war, arguably the birthplace of our nation. Also I could send Alexander Hamilton into battle and command the French army too.

That being said, the series is running out of large battles to simulate. They could still do Long Island, and others could be included as 2-4 games in a box. Mostly I'm hoping to see Camden get some coverage (and offer the possibility of avoiding Gates's folly).


I would like to see Cowpens and King's Mountain, but I don't think their riflemen rules would work for Cowpens, since they can only fire at adjacent units.

New York battles don't excite me because they are so one-sided, unless they threw in a boxful of them (Harlem Heights, Long Island, etc...but when I thought about it, that's what Hold the Line is for).

I, too, think they have milked the golden cow dry for the system, but oh what a system it is for Bradywine, Saratoga, Monmouth, Germantown, etc...
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essayons7 wrote:
Pensacola is the only game in the series I don't have. I may have to correct that situation...we'll see.


Not buying Yorktown would manage that. :D


I can't say for certain that I wouldn't.
There's something I like about the series,
but I'm just not sure I could see it as exciting.
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Yep I would get anything in the BoAR series including a siege game on Yorktown and even the battle of Bunker Hill if they offered it as an introductory sampling of the system in a C3i.
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TomW731 wrote:
Yep I would get anything in the BoAR series including a siege game on Yorktown and even the battle of Bunker Hill if they offered it as an introductory sampling of the system in a C3i.


Bunker Hill would be a great C3i game, kind of like Cheriton for Ben Hull's series, or Agincourt for Men of Iron.
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Yes the completist in me would love to see it even if it wasn't that great of a game, but then who knows. I think it would be perfect for a C3i. Perhaps the next issue could focus on the BoRW series and Wilderness War which I dont think C3i has ever done an article about. Perhaps throw in a little Washington's War content as well.
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I think I would much rather see a collection of battles during the Southern Campaign with, maybe, a set of campaign rules to tie them all together than another seige game. Correct me if I'm wrong but once the French Navy turned back the British fleet trying to resupply Cornwallis at Yorktown, the gig was up, right? No, I think I'd rather see a boxed set of smaller battles than Yorktown.


You are right Pete, which is why having a naval aspect to the game would be needed. There is also one of the great what-ifs of the war: Henry Clinton's planned relief expedition.

A set on the Southern battles is probably the best way to go, although the New York Campaign is begging for coverage.
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I'd prefer a game on the attack on Quebec to a Yorktown game.

Most of the battles of the SYW/NA scale too small for this system, with the exception of Wolfe and Montcalm on the Plains of Abraham.

Long Island and New York would scale well but would be difficult to balance apart from some artificial points-based victory conditions system. The troop/leadership quality disparity was simply too pronounced at that time.

Trenton and Princeton in one box would be good.

But I think Yorktown would just be dull.
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Barry Kendall wrote:
I'd prefer a game on the attack on Quebec to a Yorktown game.

Most of the battles of the SYW/NA scale too small for this system, with the exception of Wolfe and Montcalm on the Plains of Abraham.

Long Island and New York would scale well but would be difficult to balance apart from some artificial points-based victory conditions system. The troop/leadership quality disparity was simply too pronounced at that time.

Trenton and Princeton in one box would be good.

But I think Yorktown would just be dull.


Yorktown on its own could be interesting, but the real way to make it a deal is through what-if situations, much the way it was done in The Game of France, 1940: German Blitzkrieg in the West and Destruction of Army Group Center (second edition).

The only other French and Indian War battle that could scale well would be Fort Carllion, but that might be hard to make interesting. That being said, Trenton and Princeton were both small battles, about as large as those you say can't be scaled. More importantly, both are rather lopsided. The bloodiest battle of that campaign, Assunpink Creek, would match the scale perfectly though.
 
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