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John Paul Messerly
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I love this game but I'm looking for some good reference to fill in the details. For instance I play sound clips from Das Boot when I play U-boat Leader and I read excerpts from Lima-6 before playing Ranger. Unfortunately I don't know much about CAS.

Someone recommended Ed Macy's book Apache in a different thread. Any other suggestions for books or movies on the subject?

I'm Currently reading The Night Stalkers, and I have Hellfire and Apache lined up to read next...
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Ed Macy's book is a must read.

Flying in his squadron was a woman named Charlotte Madison, who wrote a book called Dressed To Kill. This was a good book about a woman's experience in the modern military and in war, but was light on tactical details.

I have a book here called Warthog by William Smallwood, but I haven't read it yet.
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There is always Fire Birds:



*snicker*
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There's the movie Courage Under Fire, I suppose.

I also found this wikipedia entry that could be useful.
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John, after reading your post I asked the same thing [listitem=2252758]here[/listitem] on this geeklist. Hope you don't mind. It's a little old now, but people still comment once in awhile. Maybe it will expose a few other people to your question who don't follow the TAL page.

By the way, that geeklist (I would recommend this HISTORY BOOK if you like the subject of this WARGAME.) is one of the most useful I have encountered on BGG. Check it out if you haven't seen it before.
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Just finished Ed Macy's book. Incredible!
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Thanks for the recommendation guys! I had never heard of Macy's Apache book; on the strength of your recommendation I ordered it. It just arrived today. I'm looking forward to a good, inspiring read.
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Books I've read that I'd recommend:

The Warthog and the Close Air Support Debate, by Dick N. Campbell. A history of the development of the A-10 and the clash between the Army and the Air Force over control of aviation assets and the proper use for them.

Cradle of Conflict: Iraq and the Birth of Modern U.S. Military Power, by Michael Knights. Although not focused on CAS per se, there is a lot of interesting detail concerning the Army and Air Force's different approaches to CAS/fire support and the problems this created in both Desert Storm and OIF.

Operation Phantom Fury: The Assault and Capture of Fallujah, Iraq, by Dick Camp. Camp spends a lot of time explaining how CAS was coordinated and used (quite a bit) during this battle in late 2004.

Books that I've not read, but might be interesting:

From Hot Air to Hellfire: The History of Army Attack Aviation, by James Bradin. Might be too dated by now.

Danger Close: Tactical Air Controllers in Afghanistan and Iraq, by Steve Call. CAS from the perspective of the guys on the ground who call in the strikes.

Case Studies in the Development of Close Air Support, edited by Benjamin Franklin Cooling. An older Air Force publication, easily found in pdf format through Google.

And let me just throw in the fact that the thrash metal band Sodom has a killer song about the AC-47, the AC-130's forerunner, called "Magic Dragon".



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Its slightly related but I always highly recommend this book;
Sniper One by Sgt Dan Mills.
It is the story of a British battle group alone and under siege for a month in Iraq, Written by Sgt Dan Mills who was the leader of a sniper battalion guarding the base.

Its a fantastic read and includes some heavy use of close air support in danger close strikes from US aircraft as the battlegroup was under constant attack since they set up shop on their "peacekeeping" tour.

From the aircraft side of things they were allocated an AC-130 Specter gunship for two days, multiple close air support from A-10's and they even managed to convince the US Air Force to drop a precision laser guided 500lb bomb onto enemy mortar positions in open ground right in the middle of a built up-city

Great sniper action too obviously
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Yes, that's a great book. He describes the arrival of the AC-130 like it was a visitation from the god of war. Amazing.
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Amazing Steve, I posted that as a response to a topic that was last commented on two years ago, I was expecting to get shit for 'bumping' an old topic, your response has lightened my day.

And yea, it is a fantastic read, i'm glad you enjoyed it too.
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I rarely see trash talking for bumping an old topic around here. I'd like to think we're a little more civilized than that. And often times, an old thread may be the best spot for a new comment.

Thanks for the book suggestion.
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Ryanmobile wrote:
I rarely see trash talking for bumping an old topic around here. I'd like to think we're a little more civilized than that. And often times, an old thread may be the best spot for a new comment.


Great comment.

The next phase of human evolution? Peace on the internet. Then let's tackle real life.

On topic: I've just finished 'Among You' by Jake Wood. Highly recommended British war book - reads like fiction but its real... anyway he was TA in Iraq (two full tours) and Afghanistan (final tour) and clearly recounts several F15 USAF strikes that they called in from their OP/FOB and on patrols including one that was danger close and resulted in a blue on blue.

No A-10 or Apache strikes, however he did get a 2x Apache escort when being Chinook'd to a horrific Helmand FOB, and when they later called in a medevac to clear wounded while still under attack he reports that the Taliban completely retreated once the Apache escort arrived on the scene.
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