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I'm trying to make a game prototype and I really like the idea of committing orders to units (or in my case to formations of units) by using small dials like the upcoming FFG X-Wing.

Dials have practical advantages of over cards (density of information, easy organization, ability to place on the board) and block rotation (number of options), but they're harder to prototype because I have no idea how I would go about constructing a nice center hinge point. From the X-Wing rule book it looks like FFG is using two part plastic snap hinges like they used for the dials in LoTR:LCG and BSG. Anybody found a source for something like that or come up with a reasonable alternative?

Also cutting the chipboard in a perfect circle seems slightly daunting so any advice there would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance!
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I don't know the english term for «attache parisienne», but it should do it.

http://www.google.ca/search?q=attache+parisienne&hl=en&clien...
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we just call them 'paper fasteners'
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adorablerocket wrote:
Also cutting the chipboard in a perfect circle seems slightly daunting so any advice there would be appreciated.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3D... ?
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adorablerocket wrote:
From the X-Wing rule book it looks like FFG is using two part plastic snap hinges like they used for the dials in LoTR:LCG and BSG. Anybody found a source for something like that or come up with a reasonable alternative?

I know it doesn't help you, but I just scrounged up a couple extra of the FFG ones, since they gave you an extra one in BSG.

adorablerocket wrote:
Also cutting the chipboard in a perfect circle seems slightly daunting so any advice there would be appreciated.

For the dials I made for Dune, I just used scissors to cut out the circle of chipboard, then used sandpaper to smooth out the edges. It's not perfect, but it's not noticeable unless you scrutinize it. I even used thicker chipboard than what game companies usually use, and had no problem. I tried using a circle cutter and it didn't work at all.



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When I was in school they called them butterfly fasteners. But of late they seem to just be called paper fasteners.

I have a pack of them for making dials for games and I have seen little ones on sale at craft shops and dollar store craft sections.
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dumarest123 wrote:
we just call them 'paper fasteners'


Also known in some regions as brads.
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EitherOrlok wrote:
dumarest123 wrote:
we just call them 'paper fasteners'


Also known in some regions as brads.


I'm glad you said it first, because that's what I remember them being called in elementary school! Glad I wasn't alone!

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'Split pins' when I was growing up, now more commonly (at least outside of the US, which admittedly won't be super useful info for the OP) as brass fasteners...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass_fasteners
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Jacovis wrote:
EitherOrlok wrote:
dumarest123 wrote:
we just call them 'paper fasteners'


Also known in some regions as brads.


I'm glad you said it first, because that's what I remember them being called in elementary school! Glad I wasn't alone!



Yes. Brads was another term for them. Brass Brads. Though I have also seen Brads refer to tiny little nails.
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Plastics For Games sells exactly what you want:

http://www.plasticsforgames.co.uk/en/en_prod_arrows.asp

(Check the entry for Pivot Pin & Base.) I've used these in the past and they work excellent.

The bad news is that their minimum order is 100GBP.
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Dialdude.ca will make dials to order.Haven't ordered from them so check on TMP about them.

http://dialdude.ca/The_Dials.php
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greg wrote:
Plastics For Games sells exactly what you want:

http://www.plasticsforgames.co.uk/en/en_prod_arrows.asp

(Check the entry for Pivot Pin & Base.) I've used these in the past and they work excellent.

The bad news is that their minimum order is 100GBP.


Wow, you're right that's perfect! Surely somebody somewhere offers that in smaller quantities?

The brass brads are a quick and dirty option, I had previously dismissed them as being too fragile, but I guess a couple dabs of hot glue and washers is reasonable solution.

Scrounging a 'couple of' game bits is not really a good option (I wish I could just order a dozen or two from FFG) because I'm thinking of about 5-10 formations for each side.

Thanks for the help so far!
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There was another thread on this issue a year or two ago, where it was revealed that what you want is known as a "Chicago Screw." Which, apparently, has nothing to do with corrupt aldermen. Who knew?

Anyway, looks like you can get 1/8" ones from Amazon for a pretty decent price; that should be about right for two layers of .050" chipboard plus paper.
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adorablerocket wrote:
The brass brads are a quick and dirty option, I had previously dismissed them as being too fragile, but I guess a couple dabs of hot glue and washers is reasonable solution.


Actually the brads/butterflys/fasteners/WHATEVER!!! are pretty sturdy and will hold up pretty darn well.

If you want to make them even more sturdy then glue a base over the bottom of the wheel to cover the spread wings.
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parkrrrr wrote:
what you want is known as a "Chicago Screw." Which, apparently, has nothing to do with corrupt aldermen. Who knew?


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Looking in the hardware direction, light-duty binding posts look like they would make a nice, reusable connection. If you can't find these things at a hardware store, I've used McMaster before and their service is superb- I usually get my orders within days.

From McMaster-Carr

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parkrrrr wrote:
There was another thread on this issue a year or two ago, where it was revealed that what you want is known as a "Chicago Screw." Which, apparently, has nothing to do with corrupt aldermen. Who knew?

Anyway, looks like you can get 1/8" ones from Amazon for a pretty decent price; that should be about right for two layers of .050" chipboard plus paper.


Perfect! Thanks!
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Fastenal has all sorts of binding posts and mating screws. And there are several locations near you.
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You can buy dials from Litko which track numbers from 1-10 or 1-100

http://www.litko.net/categories/Turn-Trackers-%26-Dials/

I bought a few of these that arrived in about a week.

These use really small but strong magnets between the circular pieces of perspex, that grip but still allow the circles to turn smoothly (no glue is actually needed for these).
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