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WhereAreTheBlackDice wrote:
Sorry, couldn't resist. laugh


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How does the plastic in this game compare to the plastic in Sid Meier's Civilization?
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And back to Venice and more ****ing gondolas*
WhereAreTheBlackDice wrote:
Sorry, couldn't resist. laugh

I'm obviously having a sense of humour failure, but I'd rather have cardboard, or biodegradable components, since there is a ****load of plastic floating around the world's oceans these days, a situation that has arisen within my lifetime.

*Kudos to anyone who gets the header.
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misteralan wrote:
WhereAreTheBlackDice wrote:
Sorry, couldn't resist. laugh

I'm obviously having a sense of humour failure, but I'd rather have cardboard, or biodegradable components, since there is a ****load of plastic floating around the world's oceans these days, a situation that has arisen within my lifetime.

*Kudos to anyone who gets the header.


The humor comes from a similar thread called "Please don't tell me there are dice".
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Good Lord! This game has plastic AND possible randomness in the form of card draws! Christian, are you trying to destroy the world? It's the apocalypse!
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Not the apocalyspe, just the next Eclipse in the making.
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misteralan wrote:
I'd rather have cardboard, or biodegradable components, since there is a ****load of plastic floating around the world's oceans these days, a situation that has arisen within my lifetime.


Rest assured that my plastic pieces will not end floating around the world's oceans except in a one-way trip from Z-man to my door (although that admittedly is quite a long way).
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Not the apocalyspe, just the next Eclipse in the making.


AKA, the apoceclipse.
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thedacker wrote:
M0DEM wrote:
Not the apocalyspe, just the next Eclipse in the making.


AKA, the apoceclipse.


AKA, don't jinx my game with hybris

I would never assume or even dare hope for anything near the success or acclaim of Eclipse (which I also should try at one point). At this

All I know is that I have given it my best and now I will it all plays out cool
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But Venice isn't just gondolas
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misteralan wrote:
*Kudos to anyone who gets the header.

The humor comes from a similar thread called "Please don't tell me there are dice".
Nope, my header.
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marqzen wrote:
thedacker wrote:
M0DEM wrote:
Not the apocalyspe, just the next Eclipse in the making.


AKA, the apoceclipse.


AKA, don't jinx my game with hybris

I would never assume or even dare hope for anything near the success or acclaim of Eclipse (which I also should try at one point). At this

All I know is that I have given it my best and now I will it all plays out cool


FWIW, I would hate for it to be anything like Eclipse.

BTW, I'm on auto-buy at this point. I just wish I would have gotten the proto to the table when i had it--biggest regret of of the year for me!

Good luck.
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misteralan wrote:
marqzen wrote:
misteralan wrote:
*Kudos to anyone who gets the header.

The humor comes from a similar thread called "Please don't tell me there are dice".
Nope, my header.




Yup. You lost me. laugh
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I even googled "And back to Venice and more ****ing gondolas*" in various variations and nothing turned up, so I wrote it down to general I-don't-understand-a-thing-ability
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misteralan wrote:
There is a ****load of plastic floating around the world's oceans these days


False and grossly over-exaggerated by people that get confused dealing with powers of magnitude. NPR and other failed-at-science organizations have claimed there is a plastic patch in the Pacific "twice the size of Texas".

Yet it's too small to spotted by satellite.

Away from media exaggerations, its appears to be a 50 mile x 50 mile patch. Not the 500,000 square mile patch claimed by the media.

Likewise claims that it has been increasing 10x in size each decade since the 1950s, and that the oceans are filled with more plastic than plankton, are false.

The amount of plastic in the world's oceans hasn't increased since the mid-1980s, despite greater production and consumption of materials made from plastic. The elimination of off-shore garbage dumping in international waters seems to be the largest factor.

http://notrickszone.com/2011/01/05/the-great-pacific-garbage...
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thedacker wrote:
marqzen wrote:
thedacker wrote:
M0DEM wrote:
Not the apocalyspe, just the next Eclipse in the making.


AKA, the apoceclipse.


AKA, don't jinx my game with hybris

I would never assume or even dare hope for anything near the success or acclaim of Eclipse (which I also should try at one point). At this

All I know is that I have given it my best and now I will it all plays out cool


FWIW, I would hate for it to be anything like Eclipse.

BTW, I'm on auto-buy at this point. I just wish I would have gotten the proto to the table when i had it--biggest regret of of the year for me!

Good luck.


Hehe. Too bad it didnt work out. A minor set back for me too, but it looks like we will make Essen at it all will pan out. I hope you enjoy it when you get the chance.


Btw. If you have the time I would love to hear why you dislike Eclipse.
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The amount of plastic in the world's oceans hasn't increased since the mid-1980s, despite greater production and consumption of materials made from plastic. The elimination of off-shore garbage dumping in international waters seems to be the largest factor.
It isn't really relevant that the rate isn't increasing given that the damn stuff doesn't biodegrade. Is this an argument in favour of using plastics where they are unnecessary? I can't see it myself.
 
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At the risk of treading towards RSP territory:

Your argument was: don't use plastic, because there's a lot of plastic in the oceans. Innovan responded by saying that the amount of plastic in the oceans is not increasing. In other words, the plastic in this game will not end up in the oceans. So, yes, it's entirely relevant to your argument.
 
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Innovan wrote:
misteralan wrote:
There is a ****load of plastic floating around the world's oceans these days


Away from media exaggerations, its appears to be a 50 mile x 50 mile patch.


Shit! It's only a 2500 square mile patch? That's nothin!
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misteralan wrote:
WhereAreTheBlackDice wrote:
Sorry, couldn't resist. laugh

I'm obviously having a sense of humour failure, but I'd rather have cardboard, or biodegradable components, since there is a ****load of plastic floating around the world's oceans these days, a situation that has arisen within my lifetime.

*Kudos to anyone who gets the header.


I will do my best to make sure my copy of Clash of Cultures stays out of the ocean, and hope everyone else does likewise.

I doubt that boardgame pieces make up much of that plastic. Most of it is plastic containers and other disposable items
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Innovan wrote:
misteralan wrote:
There is a ****load of plastic floating around the world's oceans these days


False and grossly over-exaggerated by people that get confused dealing with powers of magnitude. NPR and other failed-at-science organizations have claimed there is a plastic patch in the Pacific "twice the size of Texas".

Yet it's too small to spotted by satellite.

Away from media exaggerations, its appears to be a 50 mile x 50 mile patch. Not the 500,000 square mile patch claimed by the media.

Likewise claims that it has been increasing 10x in size each decade since the 1950s, and that the oceans are filled with more plastic than plankton, are false.

The amount of plastic in the world's oceans hasn't increased since the mid-1980s, despite greater production and consumption of materials made from plastic. The elimination of off-shore garbage dumping in international waters seems to be the largest factor.

http://notrickszone.com/2011/01/05/the-great-pacific-garbage...


Here's an article which reiterates a couple of your points, but disagrees with some others and has a link to some recent published research.

http://io9.com/5911969/lies-youve-been-told-about-the-pacifi...

To go back to talking about games, it's interesting to note that all that plastic in one area represents an opportunity. At some point, petrochemical prices will get high enough that harvesting it for plastic could become an interesting activity. I wonder how you could make agame that models making harvesting runs through a slowly rotating mass of stuff without far too much fiddly board upkeep.

I think it's sad when cool games ideas might not ever be practical on a physical board :( Maybe tablets could save it.

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Actually, I wonder whether it would end up looking a bit like SeaSim. Hmm.

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What surprises me (well not really) is that people really would actually post to say that they would prefer cardboard pieces over the amazing component pictures we've seen.
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dkearns wrote:
Innovan wrote:
misteralan wrote:
There is a ****load of plastic floating around the world's oceans these days


Away from media exaggerations, its appears to be a 50 mile x 50 mile patch.


Shit! It's only a 2500 square mile patch? That's nothin!


Who lives there?!
 
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