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Looks like another example of government to me.
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Actualy it was ash, not pages from the Koran that were found. In fact no one seems sure she did burn the Koran (or even had pages from it), apart from a few religious nutters. Also the community is 900 strong, not 1,000.
 
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Are we speaking hypothetically now or what actually happened?
 
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Looks like another example of government theocracy to me.

FTFY.
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robigo wrote:
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Looks like another example of government theocracy to me.

FTFY.

Pakistan is not a theocracy. This is democracy in action; it's just not pluralistic democracy in action.
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So you think God actually did this?
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Geosphere wrote:
So you think God actually did this?


No, just those who claim to act in his name.
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slatersteven wrote:
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So you think God actually did this?


No, just those who claim to act in his name.


Then God did not actively hurt anything.

People did.
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Geosphere wrote:
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So you think God actually did this?


No, just those who claim to act in his name.


Then God did not actively hurt anything.

People did.


Yes of course, but religion is the key factor here. This is an example of religion God actively hurting society. It's why I belive that religion should not be afforded special status.
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God doesn't exist. So it must be the people.
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I think the salient point here is that these are people acting in the name of their god, in accordance with how they believe their god wishes them to act.

From their perspective, they are behaving in a way that they believe to be just and good.

How is this case of people acting in accordance with their faith bad, yet when a christian does the same it is good?
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How is this case of people acting in accordance with their faith bad, yet when a christian does the same it is good?


Don't bother asking, you'll get some 'god is loving' or 'it's cultural not religious' bullcrap.

Anyway Christians kill thousands of kids every day by denying the distribution of condoms and vaccines for religious reasons. Then you get the 'They are not Christian, I am' line.
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slatersteven wrote:
Geosphere wrote:
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Geosphere wrote:
So you think God actually did this?


No, just those who claim to act in his name.


Then God did not actively hurt anything.

People did.


Yes of course, but religion is the key factor here. This is an example of religion God actively hurting society. It's why I belive that religion should not be afforded special status.

Is it? This seems like textbook persecution of a vulnerable minority to me. Yes, religion is a pretext, but do you really think they'd not be persecuted some other way if no religious excuse could be manufactured?

As for not giving religions special status, why should your religious views, i.e., views on religion, be afforded special consideration either?
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Is it? This seems like textbook persecution of a vulnerable minority to me. Yes, religion is a pretext, but do you really think they'd not be persecuted some other way if no religious excuse could be manufactured?

As for not giving religions special status, why should your religious views, i.e., views on religion, be afforded special consideration either?


I see it as textbook persecution of a vulnerable minority.

The problem is that when the persecuting society does it under the guise of religious law, they remove the ability of the society to have a reasonable debate on the subject. When your priest, preacher, mullah etc. tells you that X is a sin and our holy text demands that Y takes place, to disagree is to deny your religion.
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Geosphere wrote:
So you think God actually did this?


If a god is real, then that god is responsible.

However, that god may not care a bit about our issues and only care if our souls are properly prepared morsels when we die.
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whac3 wrote:
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Geosphere wrote:
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Geosphere wrote:
So you think God actually did this?


No, just those who claim to act in his name.


Then God did not actively hurt anything.

People did.


Yes of course, but religion is the key factor here. This is an example of religion God actively hurting society. It's why I belive that religion should not be afforded special status.

Is it? This seems like textbook persecution of a vulnerable minority to me. Yes, religion is a pretext, but do you really think they'd not be persecuted some other way if no religious excuse could be manufactured?


No I don't in this case, as it is directly related to how a religion actualy expects it's adheants to act (but an extream version nof that).

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As for not giving religions special status, why should your religious views, i.e., views on religion, be afforded special consideration either?


They should not, that is my point. No philosophical or moral idea should be beyond censure and question.
 
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Is it? This seems like textbook persecution of a vulnerable minority to me. Yes, religion is a pretext, but do you really think they'd not be persecuted some other way if no religious excuse could be manufactured?

As for not giving religions special status, why should your religious views, i.e., views on religion, be afforded special consideration either?


I see it as textbook persecution of a vulnerable minority.

The problem is that when the persecuting society does it under the guise of religious law, they remove the ability of the society to have a reasonable debate on the subject. When your priest, preacher, mullah etc. tells you that X is a sin and our holy text demands that Y takes place, to disagree is to deny your religion.

There is an important distinction to make though. I support the right of Muslims to live by their religion; I just don't support their right to impose it on others too.
 
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whac3 wrote:
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Is it? This seems like textbook persecution of a vulnerable minority to me. Yes, religion is a pretext, but do you really think they'd not be persecuted some other way if no religious excuse could be manufactured?

As for not giving religions special status, why should your religious views, i.e., views on religion, be afforded special consideration either?


I see it as textbook persecution of a vulnerable minority.

The problem is that when the persecuting society does it under the guise of religious law, they remove the ability of the society to have a reasonable debate on the subject. When your priest, preacher, mullah etc. tells you that X is a sin and our holy text demands that Y takes place, to disagree is to deny your religion.

There is an important distinction to make though. I support the right of Muslims to live by their religion; I just don't support their right to impose it on others too.

That is what I mean by no special privilege, just because your faith says X does not mean you should be allowed to do it.
 
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whac3 wrote:
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Is it? This seems like textbook persecution of a vulnerable minority to me. Yes, religion is a pretext, but do you really think they'd not be persecuted some other way if no religious excuse could be manufactured?

As for not giving religions special status, why should your religious views, i.e., views on religion, be afforded special consideration either?


I see it as textbook persecution of a vulnerable minority.

The problem is that when the persecuting society does it under the guise of religious law, they remove the ability of the society to have a reasonable debate on the subject. When your priest, preacher, mullah etc. tells you that X is a sin and our holy text demands that Y takes place, to disagree is to deny your religion.

There is an important distinction to make though. I support the right of Muslims to live by their religion; I just don't support their right to impose it on others too.


Absolutely with you on that sentiment but extend it to all religions. Unfortunately, most religions take active steps to make secular laws coincide with religious law - their religious law.

Consider the Healthcare debate in America. The anti-choice constituency wants to limit what medical options are available for institutions that are associated with their religion. Restricting rights of citizens solely because of their religious view. This is different from the linked article in the OP in terms of severity but both are an imposition of religious dogma on the greater society.
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whac3 wrote:
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Is it? This seems like textbook persecution of a vulnerable minority to me. Yes, religion is a pretext, but do you really think they'd not be persecuted some other way if no religious excuse could be manufactured?

As for not giving religions special status, why should your religious views, i.e., views on religion, be afforded special consideration either?


I see it as textbook persecution of a vulnerable minority.

The problem is that when the persecuting society does it under the guise of religious law, they remove the ability of the society to have a reasonable debate on the subject. When your priest, preacher, mullah etc. tells you that X is a sin and our holy text demands that Y takes place, to disagree is to deny your religion.

There is an important distinction to make though. I support the right of Muslims to live by their religion; I just don't support their right to impose it on others too.


Well as said earlier, and I'm talking against myself here, religion is often used as a pretext. In Northern Ireland the definition of Catholic and Protestant is more a statement of a political position than of faith.

Sometimes I think, although I would like to see religion gone, it may make little difference. I think Communism and Fascism shows if people are bigoted and intolerant they will keep being so until they are stopped.

It is extremely hard to stop while beliefs are respected as sacrosanct irrespective of their impact on society and even ingrained not only in the culture but in the political and institutional bodies.

I think we're a few hundred years from true tolerance. Try having an atheist US President. Even then it is brittle, it could all go away very quickly.
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Apparently the girl is Autisitc.
 
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Apparently the girl is Autisitc.


That's a misreport apparently.
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whac3 wrote:
Is it? This seems like textbook persecution of a vulnerable minority to me.

Yes, but a minority what?

A minority religion

A god didn't do it, people carried out the act, that's for sure. But what inspired them to do it?

A religion.
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whac3 wrote:
Is it? This seems like textbook persecution of a vulnerable minority to me.

Yes, but a minority what?

A minority religion

A god didn't do it, people carried out the act, that's for sure. But what inspired them to do it?

A religion.

Probably a minority tribe that differs in religion actually. Your bugaboo about religion doesn't actually make it meaningful in and of itself in the real world.
 
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How does this compare with flag burning in some parts of the U.S.? There are areas in our country where a majority of people would like to impose criminal sanctions for burning the flag and where it's fairly common to hear someone say (with no fear of disapproval from their community) that they would meet desecration of the flag with violence.

In both cases you have a group of people stating that a particular symbol is so important to them that desecrating it should be a crime and that they will tolerate or engage in violence against desecrators. The severity is different, and in the U.S. we have Constitutional safeguards. There's no particular minority being persecuted -- but I'm not so sure that persecution is really what's going on here because I don't think the law was created as a way to go after Christians.
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