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If they had, they'd've seen the following clip. (Only the first 90 seconds are necessary.)



And if they had seen this, they probably would have prevented this.
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These should: "Counter Suit"; as 'malfeasance' can be countered WITH upon the 'Casino' about "dereliction of duty"; since MOST FOLK feel it were 'incumbent' that THEY: "shuffle the cards FIRST!"; at the very least for: 'responsibility'! Yeah, so just let a JURY ADJUDICATE about that 'matter', A-N-Y-!
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Poll: How much of a ST:TNG geek are you?
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ejmowrer wrote:
Poll: How much of a ST:TNG geek are you?
Did you watch the entire clip, in spite of the terrible soundtrack overlay?
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I stopped after 90 seconds ... but I couldn't find a better clip to illustrate the point.
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'moi' found their 'musical accompaniment' a *tad*: ENOUGH ALREADY! So, here is something ELSE instead now: whistle

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Can someone that knows the game explain this to me? Was this a single game where all the cards were in sequence for each suit? Or were they using multiple decks that all had the same order. I'm really confused as to why they would expect the card vendor to pre shuffle. Dont they shuffle each hand? I dont know how the game works.
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mostman79 wrote:
Can someone that knows the game explain this to me? Was this a single game where all the cards were in sequence for each suit? Or were they using multiple decks that all had the same order. I'm really confused as to why they would expect the card vendor to pre shuffle. Dont they shuffle each hand? I dont know how the game works.

If the former, the casino were complete idiots (like no one working there would notice As, 2s, 3s, ...). If the latter (which I assume to be the case here), they're still idiots for not simply shuffling AT LEAST once before using.
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mostman79 wrote:
Can someone that knows the game explain this to me? Was this a single game where all the cards were in sequence for each suit? Or were they using multiple decks that all had the same order. I'm really confused as to why they would expect the card vendor to pre shuffle. Dont they shuffle each hand? I dont know how the game works.

Baccarat is similar to Blackjack, in that the value of each player's hand is based on the sum of the cards dealt to them (sort of). I assume mini-Baccarat plays much the same way.

In almost all casino card games these days, the cards are dealt from a shoe, which is a long rectangular box that holds 6-12 decks of cards. They do this to make it harder for players to count cards. Since a casino will go through so many decks of cards in a day, having pre-shuffled cards that can just be plopped down in the shoes saves a lot of time. It also means they don't have to worry about the dealers shuffling the cards and possibly manipulating them with sleight of hand (pit bosses are notoriously paranoid).

I'm assuming what happened is that the decks were in the usual A-K order in each suit, just like you'll get if you buy a new deck yourself. I suppose it's also possible that there was a different, but identical order, but why would a card manufacturer do that?

There are two possibilities in what occurred. The first is that in each hand, the total number of cards that were dealt to all the players was, by chance, a multiple of 13, so the same sequence of hands kept occurring. (Baccarat is a sufficiently simple game that such a thing is possible.) The other is that the players picked up on the sequence and were able to use that information to win each hand. That seems less likely--even knowing what card is coming would probably not be enough to win 41 straight hands.

In either case (but particularly in the first one), it is completely amazing that the casino personnel were not able figure out what was going on. I mean, the players did and they're not professionals. The pattern must have been painfully obvious, yet no one thought to take the simple expediency of shuffling the cards. The only thing I can assume is that the officials were so busy looking for cheating that they failed to consider the obvious and actually look at what was happening during the hands. If so, they were criminally negligent and deserve to be laughed out of court.
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The other amazing thing is that 5 of the players, who won an average of $200,000 apiece, didn't cash in their chips! WTF????
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Got it. So probably multiple decks all nicely sorted, loaded into a shoe. Someone should be fired if that's the case. I play many a table game in Vegas. Most casinos do the following: every time a new deck is cracked, it's fanned, shuffled a few times and then loaded. Why on earth would you blindly load a shoe?!
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ejmowrer wrote:
Poll: How much of a ST:TNG geek are you?
Did you watch the entire clip, in spite of the terrible soundtrack overlay?
Yes
No
      30 answers
Poll created by ejmowrer

Pfft. I'm so much of a star trek geek that I knew the plot of the episode from the title and didn't even have to watch it to be able to relate it to the article.

Oh, as to this:

mostman79 wrote:
Got it. So probably multiple decks all nicely sorted, loaded into a shoe. Someone should be fired if that's the case. I play many a table game in Vegas. Most casinos do the following: every time a new deck is cracked, it's fanned, shuffled a few times and then loaded. Why on earth would you blindly load a shoe?!


I worked at a casino. If the casino tells you "Put the decks immediately into the shoe without shuffling them" you do exactly that. Any deviation from their silly rules is a dangerous game, and I suspect that, with the casino getting pre-shuffled decks, it's entirely possible they told them that very thing.
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