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Andrew Martin
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So far I really like the look and feel of the new edition, but I can't wrap my mind around one thing...my personal awkwardness around seeing the use of the word 'click' to describe an action.

I thought I was up to speed on all computer related nerdom, but what's the basis for use of this term? Please tell me it's not a reference to something as silly as dueling mouse clicks.

 
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Seems like a portmanteau of "clock" and "tick." Maybe.

(I'm guessing that because the click symbol looks like a clock)
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It takes time to click your mouse on the computer. Reminds me of the 'actions per second' metrics in RTS games like Starcraft.

I think they never mention "click" in cards and instead just use the clock symbol.
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Needless to say I'm not that bent out of shape about it, but why oh why didn't they just call it an action??????

I can see it now...click is going to become part of our vocabulary at the table...you can't escape it...it's all over the cards...after a particularly heated game we might tell our opponent to 'Click off!' or 'Go click yourself!'. I don't like it!
 
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AMartin56 wrote:
...after a particularly heated game we might tell our opponent to 'Click off!' or 'Go click yourself!'. I don't like it!


I'm beginning to like the change more now...
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It takes time to click your mouse on the computer. Reminds me of the 'actions per second' metrics in RTS games like Starcraft.

But yeah, I prefer 'action' too. Already so many unique/weird words in Netrunner when teaching new players.


Thank you for the reply. But if that's true it just makes it worse. Am I to believe that in a world where I can be flatlined by black ice on a run that I'm still clicking a mouse? Hopefully at a faster pace than the corporate sysop nerd on the other end of the net is clicking is? Sounds too much like a cyber version of Hungry Hungry Hippos.
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AMartin56 wrote:
Needless to say I'm not that bent out of shape about it, but why oh why didn't they just call it an action??????


Because action is used to describe something else. There are things that cost clicks that are not actions.
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I think they wanted to deliberately avoid the use of the word "action" so that they had some space for effects like "Each time a runner takes an action..." meaning any paid ability..

Or they just wanted to lay the theme on thick.
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The rules distinguish between click and action. Action is timing related term, where click is a resource to be gained/spent/lost. While this vaguely ambiguous language didn't hamper the classic version(that I recall), I can see the need to make distinction in expansion design.

looking at it thematically, click can't refer to a mouse click, it represents a much longer amount of time, easily hours. I'm inclined to believe it's the same scale at the "time" currency used in Android, representing 2-3 hours.

thinking about it though, it's weird a game of digital conflict makes subtle reference to an analog device. they could have called it something more "cyber" sounding, but oh well.
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Most people I know, even on devices without a mouse or pointer, use 'click' to describe interacting with something on the screen.
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I suspect the reason they didn't call it an action is because there are things you can do that don't cost a click, and it would be natural for someone to call anything you can do an 'action'.

Really, clicks are a resource, a resource which is spent for most 'major' actions.

The differentiation is important, intuitively. For example, a new player might consider activating the ability of Data Raven, by spending a hosted power counter, an "action". The same player might consider activating Melange Mining an "action". The former costs no clicks, and the latter costs 3. Both of them are single, discrete actions a player might take on their turn, though.

As for why the word "click" specifically? You got me. I don't like it either. I just call them "actions". whistle
 
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I have no inside knowledge of the design of the new edition but I would hazard to guess that the term "click" was used due to the ubiquity of the phrase, "one click" to mean easy and fast. A "click" is, in the parlance of our digital times, the fastest you can do something. One-click shopping. One-click publishing. One-click...well, maybe two or three clicks for *that*. Anyway, it is very possible that in a future world so defined by it's technology, the term click would come to mean the smallest measurement of time in which something could be done.

I like it.

You, however, don't need to use the term at all. I only looked through my two decks just now, but I didn't see the actual word "click" on any of them, just the little clock symbol, as pointed out above.
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Thanks to those that point out the difference between action and 'click' in the new version. I'm a veteran of the original and still have a ton of the old cards, but haven't completely read the manual for the new edition yet. I should point out that if the term 'click' is defined/used in the 'fluff' sections of the manual I won't see it either. I don't mind this new version being placed in the 'Android' universe (despite the original game that started it all not having been received all that well IMO) but it seems like a good portion of the manual is fluff and life is too short to be reading all that stuff.
 
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Suit yourself. I liked the fluff.
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I have no inside knowledge of the design of the new edition but I would hazard to guess that the term "click" was used due to the ubiquity of the phrase, "one click" to mean easy and fast. A "click" is, in the parlance of our digital times, the fastest you can do something. One-click shopping. One-click publishing. One-click...well, maybe two or three clicks for *that*. Anyway, it is very possible that in a future world so defined by it's technology, the term click would come to mean the smallest measurement of time in which something could be done.

I like it.

You, however, don't need to use the term at all. I only looked through my two decks just now, but I didn't see the actual word "click" on any of them, just the little clock symbol, as pointed out above.


I like this explanation but could have sworn I saw the use of the word on a few of the cards. I'll have to look again. if the cards are free of this 'taint' there will eventually come a time where we no longer reference the rules and I can call a click whatever I like.
 
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Go nuts. I went to cardgamedb and searched for the word "click" in the entire core set, and no card uses that word.
 
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AMartin56 wrote:
Scud-O wrote:
I have no inside knowledge of the design of the new edition but I would hazard to guess that the term "click" was used due to the ubiquity of the phrase, "one click" to mean easy and fast. A "click" is, in the parlance of our digital times, the fastest you can do something. One-click shopping. One-click publishing. One-click...well, maybe two or three clicks for *that*. Anyway, it is very possible that in a future world so defined by it's technology, the term click would come to mean the smallest measurement of time in which something could be done.

I like it.

You, however, don't need to use the term at all. I only looked through my two decks just now, but I didn't see the actual word "click" on any of them, just the little clock symbol, as pointed out above.


I like this explanation but could have sworn I saw the use of the word on a few of the cards. I'll have to look again. if the cards are free of this 'taint' there will eventually come a time where we no longer reference the rules and I can call a click whatever I like.


And your opponents will look at you wondering what the heck you're talking about because 'click' has already 'stuck'!

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It did not strike me till now, because a click in Czech is used as a measure of time - it is one swing of the clock pendulum.
I know that here the click is taking much more time (hours sometimes) but it is nicely related to time... until this thread when I realized that in English it does not mean this...
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Perhaps we will collectively be known as "Click Heads" instead of "Netrunner players".

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For some reason I was thinking that it was terminology that came from Android... Is that not the case?
 
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AMartin56 wrote:
Am I to believe that in a world where I can be flatlined by black ice on a run that I'm still clicking a mouse?

The art leads us to believe everybody in the future still uses wires, so yeah I guess?
 
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Robotron5673 wrote:
Perhaps we will collectively be known as "Click Heads" instead of "Netrunner players".


I would proudly be known as a 'Clicker,' especially since it's a derogatory slur against:
a) MMO players who use the mouse to click on action bars, instead of hotkeying everything; and
b) robots and androids in Alan Moore's 'Top 10' graphic novels.

I think either definition is an appropriate badge of honor for A:NR players.
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sdiberar wrote:
AMartin56 wrote:
Am I to believe that in a world where I can be flatlined by black ice on a run that I'm still clicking a mouse?

The art leads us to believe everybody in the future still uses wires, so yeah I guess?


Wireless communications are easy as crap to hack, since they're everywhere. Wired, on the other hand, requires that you find somewhere solid to hook in.
 
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bhz1 wrote:
sdiberar wrote:
AMartin56 wrote:
Am I to believe that in a world where I can be flatlined by black ice on a run that I'm still clicking a mouse?

The art leads us to believe everybody in the future still uses wires, so yeah I guess?

Wireless communications are easy as crap to hack, since they're everywhere. Wired, on the other hand, requires that you find somewhere solid to hook in.

Right, that won't change in the next several decades, I'm sure.
 
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sdiberar wrote:
bhz1 wrote:
sdiberar wrote:
AMartin56 wrote:
Am I to believe that in a world where I can be flatlined by black ice on a run that I'm still clicking a mouse?

The art leads us to believe everybody in the future still uses wires, so yeah I guess?

Wireless communications are easy as crap to hack, since they're everywhere. Wired, on the other hand, requires that you find somewhere solid to hook in.

Right, that won't change in the next several decades, I'm sure.

If you are broadcasting a wireless signal, you are broadcasting your physical location.
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