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Subject: Tank Fight at Prokhorovka... an easy German victory! rss

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We played the "Tank Fight at Prokhorovka" scenario three times last weekend, and we discovered a major flaw in the scenario in that the Germans can almost always win if play it right. In fact, two very good players worked together as Russians played against one German player, and the German player still won easily. How? Basically, the trick for the Germans is to get one VP more than the Russian player. Once the German player achieves a VP advantage, the Germans pull back to good defensive positions and forces the Russians to come to them. When that happens, the Russians tend to get the short end of the stick.

To make a long story short, we think the victory conditions should be altered to reflect the need for the Germans to keep advancing.

This hasn't been test played yet, but the victory conditions we came up with and think might work better would be simply this:

Russians get 1VP for each German Tank destroyed.
Germans get 1VP for each MkIV and 3VP for each Tiger that exits.

Needless to say, the Tigers still draw attention as before, but with different results. Again, this has not been tested, but seems more interesting than the original victory conditions, because now the only way for the Germans to get VPs is to keep advancing.

Game Note:
We played this a few times using the Ground Support Deck I, but I think it seems to make more sense if it were the "Combined Air Support Deck I". Need an official ruling about this typo in the scenario.
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RayGuns wrote:

We played the "Tank Fight at Prokhorovka" scenario three times last weekend, and we discovered a major flaw in the scenario in that the Germans can almost always win if play it right. In fact, two very good players worked together as Russians played against one German player, and the German player still won easily. How? Basically, the trick for the Germans is to get one VP more than the Russian player. Once the German player achieves a VP advantage, the Germans pull back to good defensive positions and forces the Russians to come to them. When that happens, the Russians tend to get the short end of the stick.

To make a long story short, we think the victory conditions should be altered to reflect the need for the Germans to keep advancing.

This hasn't been test played yet, but the victory conditions we came up with and think might work better would be simply this:

Russians get 1VP for each German Tank destroyed.
Germans get 1VP for each MkIV and 3VP for each Tiger that exits.

Needless to say, the Tigers still draw attention as before, but with different results. Again, this has not been tested, but seems more interesting than the original victory conditions, because now the only way for the Germans to get VPs is to keep advancing.

Game Note:
We played this a few times using the Ground Support Deck I, but I think it seems to make more sense if it were the "Combined Air Support Deck I". Need an official ruling about this typo in the scenario.


I agree with your findings and conclusions. It's exactly what happened when we played: the Germans just pulled back and had the Russians come to them.
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Hi!

We played the scenario last night with the victory conditions you suggested: it works fine, as far as a first play can tell!

We also used the Combined Air Support Deck 1.

German won by exiting two Tigers (6 pts) against five destroyed PzIV (5 pts), [edit:] while six russian tanks were destroyed.

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Hi!

We played again last night with the victory conditions suggested and the Combined Air Support Deck 1.

Russian player won on turn 9, after killing a second Tiger. German player abandoned as there was no way scoring enough VPs to compensate tank losses. Russian player lost four KVs and the two guns. German player lost two tigers and five Pz IVs.

Nice scenario, great fun!

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Meta Baston wrote:
Hi!

We played again last night with the victory conditions suggested and the Combined Air Support Deck 1.

Russian player won on turn 9, after killing a second Tiger. German player abandoned as there was no way scoring enough VPs to compensate tank losses. Russian player lost four KVs and the two guns. German player lost two tigers and five Pz IVs.

Nice scenario, great fun!

MB


Yes, with the VP changes mentioned above, the scenario is much better and more entertaining.
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