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151st BS ......... 152nd BS ......... 153rd BS ......... 154th BS

BG...................BB...................GB..................GG


“Gentlemen at ease. I know we have had a few bad missions but HQ wants us to put up a Maximum Effort and I expect everyone who is breathing to fly… ” Sgt. Murphy Pull the curtain please…”

We are always accepting new planes to join the group, as we start a fifth tour. For those of you just joining us, here is a summary of the "rules," as they are:
* I will be rolling up the mission parameters, fighter support, flak cover, weather and date for all missions.
* There is no required format for reporting your results, but the more info you present the more entertaining it is for everyone. If you track who gets injured, how many fighter kills, etc., then I can summarize that info at the end of the mission period for all bombers.
* All flights must be flown by the following Sunday (in this case, 12/11/18 ), and “jasta6” will prepare an End of Mission Report the following Monday. If you happen to miss a week or two, no big deal, just join back in when you can.
* All planes are assigned to a squadron. If you are new, just post a response in the thread giving your plane name and you will be assigned a squadron, here. Squadrons are being given a position (High, Middle, Low or Low- Low.) by jasta6, as recorded here.
* Lead and Tail positions are still being assigned to volunteers. Please note that only bombers in MIDDLE position can be lead, and only bombers in LOW-LOW position can be tail. So if you are in one of those squadrons, and nobody has yet volunteered for a position, roll 1d6. If you get a 6, you are the lucky winner.
* Our optional house rules can be found here.


”...Schweinfurt Germany… Good luck and Gods speed boys!”

General Anderson has issued the following statement to all crew commanders:
”This air operation today is the most important air operation yet conducted in this war. The target must be destroyed. It is of vital importance to the enemy. Your friends and comrades, that have been lost and that will be lost today, are depending on you. Their sacrifice must not be in vain. Good luck, good shooting and good bombing.”


MISSION One Hundred and fifteen:
Date: Thursday, October 14, 1943 (4 day from last mission)
Primary Target: Schweinfurt, Germany. B/I ( Ball Bearing Industry )
Secondary Target: None

Bomb Load:
------ B-17F’s: 3 x 1000 lb G.P. bombs plus 5 M47A1 Incendiaries
------ B-17G’s: 3 x 1000 lb G.P. bombs plus 5 M47A1 Incendiaries

Bombing Altitude: 24,050 ft (Mid Combat Box in the bomber wing)
------ High Squadron 24,300 ft (153rd BS)
------ Lead Squadron 24,050 ft (154th BS)
------ Low Squadron 23,800 ft (151st BS)
------ Low-Low Squadron 23,550 ft (152nd BS)


Gazetteer:
Outbound: Zone 2: –1 W / Zone 3: 0 W / Zone 4: 0 BZone 5: 0 B / Zone 6: +1 B/G / Zone 7: +1 G / Zone 8: +1 G
InBound: Zone 2: –1 W / Zone 3: -1 F / Zone 4: 0 FZone 5: 0 F / Zone 6: 0 F / Zone 7: +1 F / Zone 8: +1 G


Primary Target Flak O/B: Medium
Primary Target Flak I/B: Medium


Primary Target Weather: Good 1/10 Cloud (No modifiers)
Base Weather: Poor 6/10 Cloud Cover (modifier -1 on landing)

Fighter Escort:
(56th Fighter Group P-47’s O/B and 355thd Fighter Group P-47’s I/B)
Zone 2 outbound: fair
Zone 3 outbound: good
Zone 4 outbound: good
Zone 5 outbound: good
Zone 6 outbound: poor +1 on M-4 Table
Zone 6 inbound: poor +1 on M-4 Table
Zone 5 inbound: good
Zone 4 inbound: good
Zone 3 inbound: good
Zone 2 inbound: fair

Note:
---- - Gents, don’t forget to add your Squadron Positions modifiers to the above Gazetteer values.
---- - B-17G Rules are here
---- - Those using the GAF Placement Variant: Resistant is Heavy. (No Enemy A/C removed per wave) [this is everyone this mission]

Mission Special Rules:
A) See thread below for replacement B-3 chart (B-8) and supporting tables. These tables are for everyone and replace the B-3 chart or my unpublished variant.

B) If you have the JG26 variant you may use this whenever your B-17 is flying over France and only Bf109s (same as Me109s) are attacking.

C) Please take care to read all notes on provided B-8 replacement table, for B-3, as there are some different procedures than normal. Example, note (c) for out of formation, you don’t re-roll, instead you roll 1D6 for either Bf 109s or FW190s.

D) When attacked by both single engine fighters and twin engine fighters, your gunners MUST shoot at a single engine fighters first, over the twin engine fighter, if they have a shot. This may very well mean the twin engine fighters will attack unmolested.

E) Please note that we are using a modified Smasher rule and certain Me410s or JU88s may be carrying a 50mm cannon. Please review the special charts to make sure you under stand when this weapon is employed.

F) The JU88 attacks as a Bf110 with the following exceptions. First all shots to hit rolls, table M-1, has a plus one (+1) added to their die roll. So a to-hit of 6 now hits on a 5-6, also a to-hit of 5-6 now hits on a 4-6 and so on. Second all single mount machineguns damage, on table M-2, to a JU88 is reduced by one level. So a destroyed result will be reduced to FBOA-2 similarly a FBOA-2 is reduced to FCA-1 likewise a FCA-1 is reduced to no damage. Though an ACE gunner at a single mount machineguns manned by an Ace will ignore this damage reduction. Twin mounted .50 cals will hit as per normal rules.

Also, the JU88 will NOT make frontal attacks. So if you roll up a 12 o'clock attack angle move it to 6 o’clock similarly if you roll up a 1:30 attack angle move it to a 4:30 attack angle like wise move all 11:30 attack angles to 7:30 attack angles.



If there are any questions PLEASE contact me by PM for clarification of the rules. If I see fit I will post a correction to the rules for everyone to see.


Mission Map:


-Historical Mission: (from “The Mighty 8th War Diary by R.A.Freeman) Mission 115 This mission was the famous 2nd Schweinfurt ball bearing mission that caused the loss of 60 B-17, too much info to do it proper here. Please see below or here for more information on this mission. Or better yet try to find a copy of Black Thursday by Martin Cainin; Publisher: E.P. Dutton 1960, then Bantam War Books 1981 & 1987

The 303rd operation notes, for their mission 78, The 303rd crews poor weather over their field and heavy enemy activity after the fighter cover peeled off… The Gazetteer and Fighter Cover have been modified to represent these historic observations.


Black Thursday by Martin Cainin: This book is the main influence to this missions special rules. It is stated here that there were up to 300-400 enemy aircraft from the time our P-47’s left the bombers to when they returned to fighter cover. Crew observations reveled that the single engine fighters would attack first then the twin engine fighters would attack with rockets and then guns/cannons.
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**Please read and follow as it will help us collate the information for Mission statistics and the roster thread** Thank You!

For a more detailed report please proceed to the memo


Again, please remember I would like players to, at a minimum, list the Crew (pilots name with rank and Planes name of their Fortress at the beginning of all AAR post to help me facilitate updating the Roster List? Please use the format below as this will help me create the list in a timely manor.

If this format is not followed I may have to pass over your record as it takes more time to compile than it should have to. Adding this information will make it much easier to assemble this extra fluff for our campaign. Please remember to also add your pilot’s rank.

Thank You!

EXAMPLE wrote:
Pilot: 1st Lt.. Andy Anybody
B-17: "Bombs Alot/Miss Alot"


Also please add your Bombardment Squadron somewhere at the top too. This will help me in data entry. i.e. 154th BS

P.S. As I am keeping stats of the campaign for mission reports could you list your enemy aircraft probable and damage information as well as your kills in one short entry. Example: (KIA = 5, Prob = 2 & Damg = 5)

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281st BG (V) Aircraft Roster for Mission 115 [Schweinfurt , Germany. B/I]

- Player's Squadron Assignment can be found at this thread: Squadron Assignment

- Squadron Positions for this mission can be found at this thread: Squadron Positions

Mission : (Volunteers)
---- Lead: 1st Lt. Parker/Col. Donnelly’s Crew in “Black Widow VI” (B-17G-10-B0 42-31299)
---- Tail: Capt. McDowell's Crew in "Manassas Junction"

151st BS - BG:
1st Lt. V. Giles Crew in (B-17F-55-DL 42-3403) "Bottle to Throttle" [AAR]
1st Lt. Scallion/ Mjr Gecko’s Crew in “Back in Action” (B-17F-35-VE 42-5929) [AAR]
1Lt Cary Thompson’s crew in “Honolulu Lulu” (B-17F-50-B0 42-5453) [AAR] Lost
2nd Lt. Clare T. Dallas’s Crew in “Wabash Wendy” (B-17F-65-DL 42-3478) [AAR] Cat-E
2nd Lt. Calvin Jones Crew in “Uncle Phil” (B-17F-40-VE 42-5978) [AAR] Aborted
2nd Lt Jack Russell,s Crew in “Spot On” (B-17F-110-B0 42-30563) [AAR]

152nd BS - BB:
Wing Cmdr E. Blackadder’s Crew in “Tempes”t (B-17F) [AAR] Cat-E (pending)
Captain I McDowell’s Crew in “Manassas Junction” (B-17G-1-B0 42-31060) [AAR] Tail Aborted
Capt. Jack McClouth’s Crew in "Oriole" (B-17F-90-BO 42-30140) [AAR] Aborted/Lost
1st Lt. Noah Garvin’s Crew in On the Green” (B17F-110-BO-42-120930) [AAR] Lost
2nd Lt. Mark Anderson’s Crew in “Anaconda” (B-17F-90-B0 42-30167) [AAR] Lost
2nd Lt. Robert Posch’s Crew in “Boombox” (B-17F-20-VE 42-5784) [AAR] Lost

153rd BS - GB:
Capt Tony Lazzeri’s Crew in “Knotty Knickers” (B-17F-45-VE 42-6078) [AAR] Aborted
Capt. Vetinari's Crew in "Reaper Man" (B-17G-10-B0 42-31233) [AAR] Cat-E
1st LT Morgan Cross’s Crew in “Sword of Damocles” (B-17F-75-BO-42-29887) [AAR]
1st Lt. George Thornton's Crew in "Fickle Finger of Fate" (B-17G-20-B0 42-31560) [AAR]
2nd Lt. Jeff Kidder’s Crew in “REDHAWK ROSIE” [AAR] Lost
2nd Lt. Keith Lund’s Crew in "Hell Bent" (B-17F-105-B0 42-30525) [AAR]


154st BS - GG:
1st Lt. Parker/Col Donnelly’s Crew in “Black Widow VI” (B-17G-10-B0 42-31299) [AAR] Lead Cat-E
1st Lt. Robert Browning’s Crew in “Angry Marmot” (B-17F-45-B0 42-5252) [AAR]
1st Lt Harold Holbrook’s Crew in “KACHINA MAIDEN” (B-17G-20-B0 42- 31612) [AAR] Lost
1st Lt. Scotty Jordan’s Crew in "Crazy Kate" (B-17F-110-B0 42-30595) [AAR] Lost
1LT Travis LeMattie’s Crew in PEACHY B-17F [AAR] Lost


Col. Ronald Donnelly
Commander
281st Bombardment Group (Heavy)
Elveden Hall, UK
3rd Bombardment Wing HQ

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TO:
All 281st Bombardment Group (H) Personal

SUBJECT:
Mission Special Rules

MEMO:
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a few special charts for this game. For those who have been using my playtest variant will recognize the format, for those who haven’t this will be a bit new. For the new players you will need to roll up the enemy aircraft attacking posture. Once you have rolled up a few waves it will become natural. Also the other added feature will be the addition of the 4:30 and 7:30 attack angle. If you do not want to bother with this new twist feel free to convert these attacking aircraft to 6 o’clock angle and use the rolled up attitude. Below are the new charts we will be using;

Chart one is a description of how to use the following charts.



Chart two is a replacement for table B-3 for the attacking aircraft encountered during the Schweinfurt mission. You will also find the corresponding tables to roll up their attacking posture as well as other notes for game play.



Chart three is added attack angles fighter information.



Chart four and five are pie tables for your fortress’s attack on the enemy fighters.




If there are any questions PLEASE contact me by PM for clarification of the rules. If I see fit I will post a correction to the rules for everyone to see
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1st Lt. P. Parker and Colonel R. Donnelly will lead this mission in the “Black Widow VI” (B-17G-10-B0 42-31299).
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Maj. Seth Gecko addresses the 151st:

"Well boys. We gotta make this one count. I'll be flying with ya all today. So get yourselves prepped, we're goin' hit Jerry hard in the Balls! Dismissed!"
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TO:
All 281st Bombardment Group (H) Personal

SUBJECT:
Briefing note update

MEMO:
Ladies and Gentlemen,

Please note that there are two oversights pointed out that need correction.

1st: The -1 to tail gunner shots on the defensive gunnery pie charts was from an old version. Please disregard this note for this mission.

2nd: The JU88 will NOT make frontal attacks. So if you roll up a 12 o'clock attack angle move it to 6 o’clock similarly if you roll up a 1:30 attack angle move it to a 4:30 attack angle like wise move all 11:30 attack angles to 7:30 attack angles.

And yes we are meant to have mostly tail attacks...

Good luck and Gods Speed my friends!
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"I don't like this one, I don't like it at all" Robert stared at his copilot when out from the briefing room. "Jerries will be all over us, better inform the crew to take some spare ammo" he waited some seconds "it will be a rough ride for everybody."
"We're gonna make it Bob" the copilot smiled trying to convince himself, rather than his commander. A nervous grin, no more, no less.
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In the middle of the morning briefing, the Colonel announces that he will be leading the mission and calls for someone from the 152nd to fly in the tail position.

Captain McDowell stands up without hesitation:

"Sir Manassas Junction volunteers to fly Tail."

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Maj. Seth Gecko addresses the 151st:

"Well boys. We gotta make this one count. I'll be flying with ya all today. So get yourselves prepped, we're goin' hit Jerry hard in the Balls! Dismissed!"


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Mission : (Volunteers)
- Lead: 1st Lt. Parker/Donnelly’s Crew in “Black Widow VI”
- Tail: Capt. McDowell's Crew in "Manassas Junction"

We have our Lead and Tail positions filled so let's give'm Hell boys!

Good Luck All!!

Hope to see everyone at the Dog & Duck tonight...
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[ sent from zone 7 outbound ] GG Kachina Maiden to group, GG Kachina Maiden to group....(154th) two engines out, leaving formation, over.

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Pilot: 1st Lt. Robert Browning
B-17: B-17F-45-B0 42-5252 “Angry Marmot”
Squadron: 154th Bombardment Squadron, 218th Bombardment Group (Heavy)
Mission: 115 (Bomber 8)
Date: Thursday, October 14, 1943
Target: Schweinfurt, Germany. B/I ( Ball Bearing Industry )
Position: MIDDLE - MIDDLE



Crew Status:
Pilot: 1st Lt. Robert Browning (8)
Copilot: 2nd Lt. Joseph Morgan (8)
Bombardier: 1st Lt. Joseph Simpson (8) * ½
Navigator: 2nd Lt. Jack Norris (8) **½
Engineer: Sgt. Aaron Jordan (2) **
Radio Operator: Sgt. Eugene DelGrecio (5) ½ KIA
Ball Gunner: Sgt. Clay Godfrey (8) ##**½
Port Waist: Sgt. Richard Abbott (7) ½ PH
Starboard Waist: Sgt. Thomas Garner (5) * PH
Tail Gunner: Sgt. Ewan Krieger (6) #* ½ PH

Key:
½ = Half an Enemy A/C KIA
* = 1 Enemy A/C KIA
# = 5 Enemy A/C KIA
LW : Light Wond
SW : Severe Wond
KIA : Killed In Action
PH : Purple Heart

Bomb Run:
---- Bomb Drop; ON TARGET
---- Accuracy; 30%

Enemy Fighters Killed Before Mission: (KIA 21 / Prob 22 / Damg 4)

Enemy Fighters Encountered: )

ME109E : 4 (ace average 2 green 2 – KIA / Prob / Damg )
ME109F : 7 (ace 1 average 6 green – KIA 4 / Prob 1 / Damg )
ME109G : 11 (ace average 11 green – KIA 5 / Prob 1 / Damg 1)
FW190A : 13 (ace 2 average 11 green – KIA 5 / Prob 2 / Damg )
ME110 : 3 (ace average 3 green – KIA 1 / Prob / Damg)
ME410 : 2 (ace average 2 green – KIA / Prob / Damg)
JU88 : 2 (ace average 2 green – KIA / Prob 1 / Damg)

Ace : 3
Average : 37
Green : 2

Driven off by escort : 16

Enemy Fighters Killed With this Mission: (KIA 36 / Prob 27 / Damg 5)

Claims:

2nd Lt. Jack Norris, navigator, ME109F (OB/8)
Sgt. Clay Godfrey, ball turret ME109 G (OB/2) / ME109F (OB/7) / ME109G (OB/8) / ME110 (OB/7) / FW190A (IB/3) , ME109F (IB/2)
Sgt Aaron Jordan, top turret FW190A (OB/3) shared with Sgt. Ewan Krieger. FW190A (OB/4) shared with Sgt. Ewan Krieger. ME109G (IB/2)
Sgt. Thomas Garner, strb. Waist gunner, ME109F (OB/8)
Sgt. Ewan Krieger, tail turret FW190A (OB/3) shared with Sgt. Aaron Jordan. FW190A (OB/4) shared with Sgt. Aaron Jordan. ME109G (OB/8). ME109G (OB/8). FW190A (OB/8).

Medals and Promotions:

Sgt. Eugene DelGrecio, radio operator, Purple Heart posthoumous.
Requesting air medal for all crewmembers and DSC for Sgt. Godfrey who had exceptional skills under enemy fire.

B-17s damage report:


Nose : Sup. Damage x 2

Pilot Compartment : Sup. Damage x 2

Port Wing : Sup. Damage x 2, Wing root x 2, inboard fuel tank self seal no effect

Strb Wing : Sup. Damage x 1, Flap inoperable, Wing flap no effect,

Bomb Bay : Sup. Damage x 1, Bombs – no effect

Radio Room : Radio operator – KIA, radio out

Waist : Sup. Damage x 2

Tail : Sup. Damage x 2, Strb. Elevator inoperable, Control cables 1st hit, Port taiplane root x 1, Rudder x 3, Taiplane no effect x 2, Autopilot mechanism inop. , Oxygen supply 1st hit

Total Peckham Damage : 297 - repairable (rolled 3)

Medic report:

Sgt. Eugene DelGrecio, KIA with a hit to the upper head and chest.

Crew Unavailable:

- Sgt. Peter Smith, Top Gunner. 7 Missions. #. PH. Seven days recover (Released on October 16th 1943)

Spare Crew :

Tail Gunner, Sgt. Rupert Hanks (3) * ½
Port waist gunner, Sgt. Ian Porter (1)
Starboard waist gunner, Sgt. Paul Boyd (2)

Landing : Landed in England with no troubles.

Replacements:

Plane: none
Crew: Requesting substitution for loss of radio operator Sgt. Eugene DelGrecio
Commander: none

Mission Description:
Subject:
14-October-43

Mission Debriefing:

We took off from the airfield knowing we were going to face a difficult mission. When over the Channel a rogue formation of enemy fighters swarmed between the formation killing instantly our radio operator. Eugene never knew what hit him. We found him dead over the radio slightly before reaching French territory.

We decided to remain in the formation and press over enemy territory. From then on until we had fighter cover we were able to fight away enemy fighters, but from zone 7 onward we had hard times.

Luckily, our gunners managed to kill many of the Germans that tried to approach us, but they were too many. We even saw rockets fired upon us and it was not a good sight at all. While over Germany we had much of our damage inflicted by a couple of ME109s that circled on our ship. Much part of the rudder went away over Germany. Sgt. Godfrey was able to keep the fighters at bay with Sgt. Krieger, it seemed that the Luftwaffe was preferring our tail section over whatever else. The Engineer saw even some hits over the bombs, we were lucky not to explode in mid air.

In the inbound route we had less troubles than expected, especially when the fighter cover showed up. When we were finally over England, 2nd Lt. Norris went to keep communications with the tower and found the body of Sgt. DelGrecio hitten by more bullets.

Landing wasn’t easy, but we managed even without rudder and the horrible English weather.

1st Lt. Robert Browning
Commander of B-17F-45-B0 42-5252 “Angry Marmot” Pos. D
154th Bombardment Squadron, 218th Bombardment Group (Heavy)


Mission Note:

This…has been a terrible one. It seems that my radio section is jinxed in one way or another. I’ve lost two radio operators and in this same mission the radio operator would have been hit at least 3 times, two from walking hits.

Angry Marmot has been battered and pushed to her limits but is still alive and operational. I’m glad of that. I want to give my men an acknowledge for surviving this mission, so I propose for them an Air Medal and a DSC for Sgt. Godfrey who reached quote 10 on a/c kills. He was the key for our survival taking very difficult shots thanks to his ability.

Schweinfurt… surely I’ll remember it!

The Fallen

- Sgt. Raymond Gordon, port waist gunner, KIA on mission #107 (1st for Angry Marmot) on October the 3rd 1943. PH
- Sgt. Jeremy Sears, starboard waist gunner, WIA on mission #109 (3rd for Angry Marmot) on October the 5th 1943. Discharged and sent home. PH
- Sgt. Anthony McDowell, radio operator, WIA on mission #109 (3rd for Angry Marmot) on October the 5th 1943. Discharged and sent home. PH
- Sgt. Eugene Del Grecio, radio operator, 5 missions, ½ kills. KIA on mission #115 (8th for Angry Marmot) on October the 14th 1943. PH

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The silence over base was interrupted by the roar of engines in the distance. The ships were coming back. How many would have survived the ordeal fo Schweinfurt ? One of the first to land had a marmot on her nose, badly damaged on the tail, rudder completely gone and vast holes over all fuselage especially in the radio section. When the ship rolled out from taxi, the crew got the body of the radio operator out from the fuselage. The body was badly injured. Quickly, medics got the poor man body covering it with an improvised blanket.

Mechanics and service men alike stared at the ship. That one was most probably a CAT E, it was too damaged on the tail to be used again, but the Engineer (pushed and instigated by the Pilot) insisted that they had to repair it at all costs. None of them dared to rebel, the crew was clearly on its nerves.
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Pilot: 1LT Harold Holbrook
B-17G KACHINA MAIDEN - B-17G-20-B0 42- 31612
Squadron: 154 BS, 218 BG (Heavy)
Mission: 115 (Bomber 1)
Date: Thursday, October 14, 1943
Target: Schweinfurt, Germany. B/I ( Ball Bearing Industry )
Position: MIDDLE - MIDDLE

Crew + Status:
Pilot: 1LT. Harold Holbrook (1) POW
Copilot: 2LT Javier Morenci (1) KIA
Bombardier: 2LT Walter St. John (1) + POW
Navigator: 2LT Brandon Clifton (1) LW POW
Engineer: Sgt Frank Bisbee (1) ++++ POW
RO: Sgt John Sells (1) KIA
BG: Sgt Wilson Kaibito (1) + KIA
PWG: Sgt David Kingman (1) KIA
SWG: Sgt Steven Chandler(1) KIA
TG: Sgt Oliver Chambers(1) KIA

DID NOT BOMB TARGET

Aircraft shot down while limping home - Lost two engines prior to reaching target, lost subsequent engine and suffered fuel tank fire forcing crewmen who were able to bail out.

Encountered estimated 39 Luftwaffe fighters

We got:

Killed: 6 - 2xBf109, 2xFw190, 2x Ju88
Probables: 7 - 5xBf109, 2xFw190
Damaged: 7 - 2xBf109, 2xFw190, 2xJu88, 1x Bf410


Mission 114 - Lost B-17
Mission 115 - Lost B-17




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OUTBOUND OVER ZONE 3

The other bombers see a flash and then smoke billowing out of the waist section of the Manassas Junction. The smoke soon dissipates, but Captain McDowell’s voice is heard over the radio:


“Manassas Juntion to group, we are dropping formation and aborting"


The Manassas Junction makes a wide right turn, drops to 10,000 feet, and heads home. Sorry boys, someone will need to take over the tail position.
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Other Pilots could witness a glorious 93% bomb run of the Boombox. But it seem that they have some big problems over there. No radio contact anymore, more holes then a swiss cheese, and after a rocket hit after just turning home a spray of gasoline was visible at the port side.

"Well, I hope they will at least make it save to the ground somewhere."
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TO:
All 281st Bombardment Group (H) Personal

SUBJECT:
Added Intel on enemy air to air rockets / aerial bomb attacks

MEMO:
Ladies and Gentlemen,

Situation: I rolled 53 for enemy wave = 3xBf110(k)(l). Note k states that the planes are lobbing rockets into formation and to roll 1D6. 1-2 = treat as x2 medium flak or 3-6 = treat as x2 light flak. Questions would be:

A) If there are three Bf110s do I make a 1D6 roll for each aircraft or just 1 roll for the group of three?


You will roll only once per wave that has this note.

B) Are these rocket (or bomb) attacks in addition to their normal attacks or in place of it?

These rocket attacks are in addition to any fighter attacks. What the Germans would do is lobe the rockets into the formations to break up the combat box so the fighters could attack with impunity. Any hits on the bombers would be gravy on the attack.

C) Do these rocket (or bomb) attack occur before or after I have a chance to intercept and/or shoot them done on their initial attack.

As per the above observation it would be prior to any fighter attacks. So, you would resolve the rocket attacks and then resolve any fighter attacks that take place. This is irrespective of escort or defensive fire results.

D) The flak table says to roll three times so when the rocket attack states to treat as x2 flak do I roll just twice or do I roll six times?

The German flak is brutal, but not quite that brutal yet, just roll twice on the flak table not six times.

Good luck,
Jim
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Pilot: Captain I McDowell
B-17: Manassas Junction (B-17G-1-B0 42-31060) (Mission 6)
Squadron: 152nd Bomber Squadron, 281st Bombardment Group
Mission: Mission 115, October 14, 1943
Target: Schweinfurt, Germany. B/I ( Ball Bearing Industry )

Bomb Run: 0%
Over Target: Mission Aborted
Plane Status: OK
Casualties: KIA: 0 WIA: 0 POW: 0 MIA: 0
Fighters: Destroyed: 0 Probable: 0 Damaged: 0

Crew Assigned: Position: Rank & Name (mission #) [Casualties], Kills, Probable, Damaged

Bombardier: 2nd Lt. AM McCook (5)
Navigator: 2nd Lt. RC Schenck (6)
Pilot: Capt. I McDowell (6)
Co-Pilot: 2nd Lt. D Tyler (6)
Engineer: MSgt. R Mason (5)
Radio Oper.: Sgt. PC Hains (2)
Ball Gunner: Sgt. JL Chatfield (6)
Pt Waist G: Sgt. JH Carlisle (2)
Stbd Waist G: Sgt. IF Quinby (2)
Tail Gunner: Sgt. WB Tompkins (6)

Fighters Encountered: Ace: 0, Average: 0, Green: 0

B-17 Damage: Oxygen fire in Waist Compartment

Peckham Points: 35

Landing: Safe landing at base in England

Special Note: N/A

In Hospital: See previous reports

Mission Description: Filed by Captain I McDowell

At the briefing this morning the Colonel announced that today’s mission to Schweinfurt was so important that he would personally fly the lead bomber. He looked up and said, "Now where is my Tail End Charlie from the 152?" Before I knew it, I found myself standing to volunteer for what became an incredibly short mission.

On the outbound flight, we did not spot any German fighters coming across the Channel, but as we approached the French coast squadrons of 190s descended on the group. The butcher birds did not attack us, but there was so much lead flying around trying to keep the butchers away that friendly fire tore into the waist of Manassas Junction.

Sgt. Carlisle’s panicky voice came over the intercom: "FIRE! FIRE! FIRE!"

“Carlisle, calm down" I called back, "Now tell me what the heck is going on back there!"

A few seconds (which seemed like hours) later, Carlisle’s much calmer voice came back:

“Sir, there was an oxygen fire back here, but Quimby, put it out. And sir, the oxygen system is shot, Quimby, Chatfield and I have no air."

I cursed under my breath and called back: "hang in there boys, we’ll get you to some fresh air"

I ordered Hains to get me the group on the radio: "Manassas Juntion to group, we are dropping formation and aborting"

We turned around, dropped to 10,000, and flew home alone.

Player Note: Outbound over Zone 3, I rolled a 46 for my first fighter wave. Then I rolled 6 on Jim’s friendly fire table. One single shall fired into the waist started an oxygen fire. Ouch, but at least it wasn’t the bombs!
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Pilot: 2nd Lt. Robert Posch
B-17: Boombox (B-17F-20-VE 42-5784) BB-i
Squadron: 152st Bomber Squadron, 281st Bombardment Group
Date: October 14th 1943
Primary Target: Schweinfurt, Germany. B/I ( Ball Bearing Industry )
Secondary Target:None
Mission 115 (Bomber 5)
Position: low-low

Crew Assigned: Position: Rank & Name (mission #) [Casualties]
Pilot: 2nd Lt Robert Posch (5) [BO-POW]
Co-Pilot: 2nd Lt Thomas Burnett (2) [BO-POW]
Bombardier: 2nd Lt Walter Bretz (1) [BO-POW]
Navigator: 2nd Lt William Finley (5) ** [BO-MIA]
Engineer: MSgt Frank White (2) **** [BO-POW]
Radio Oper.: Sgt Paul Markwart (2) [KIA]
Ball Gunner: Sgt Eddi O'Neil (5) ** [BO-POW]
Pt Waist G: Sgt Richard Feigel (5) * [BO-POW]
Stbd Waist G: Sgt Josef Hahn (back on duty) (4) [BO-POW]
Tail Gunner: Sgt Donald Davis (5) ** [BO-POW]

Key:
½ = Half an Enemy A/C KIA
* = 1 Enemy A/C KIA
# = 5 Enemy A/C KIA

Bomb Run:
Bomb Drop: on target
Accuracy: 93% !!!

Enemy Fighters Encountered:
23 (KIA = 3, Prob = 3, Damg = 2, driven off 4)

Claims:
Eng. F. White: 1x ME109
Ball. E. O'Neil: 1x ME410
Tail. D.Davis: 1x FW190

B17 Status: Wracked after BO over Schweinfurt

20 out of 43 superficials
Peckham Points: 241
Radio, 1xRudder, 1xPWroot, STB Flap and Aileron, brakes gone, ball and tailgun disabled, 1 Ox out, 2 heat out


Replacements:
new plane requested
New crew: tba


Mission Description:
Despite the very good bombing this was a nightmare. Flying low-low was partly compensated with an early tight formation event. During the flight to Germany we were already shredded by rockets, bombs dropped on our head and several heavy fighter waves. We should have taken our chance to abort when the navigator's heat broke. Approaching the target we caught some bullets in the tank, never able to make it back, that far from England. After a fire in the tail could hardly been dealt with we decided to bail out instead of leaving formation under this conditions.

Pilot: 2nd Lt. Robert Posch
B-17: Boombox (B-17F-20-VE 42-5784) BB-i
Squadron: 152st Bomber Squadron, 281st Bombardment Group
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"Doctor! We need you to talk to Major Young, he is trying to get dressed. Says he is flying today."

The stern faced doctor confronted the Major, "You haven't recovered yet enough for us to release you for flight duty yet. Another few days and you'll be out of here."

"It's a tough mission today. I need to be with them."

"Major, either you get back into bed on your own or I have the orderly put you in bed and tie you down. Do you understand?"
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Schweinfurt AAR




Pilot : Captain Vetinari
B-17 : Reaper Man
Squadron : 153rd

Mission 115/Bomber 13


Crew :-

Pilot Cpt Vetinari (19)
CoPilot 1st Lt Drumknott (19)
Navigator Lt Oats
Bombardier 1st Lt Johnson ##* (17)
Engineer Mstr Sgt Cohen ### (19)
Radio Operator Sgt Gaspode (9)
Ball Turret Tech Sgt Malich ####** (19)
Waist Gunner Sgt Vorbis
Waist Gunner Sgt Likely ^ (13)
Tail Turret Sgt Mortimer * (1)

() : missions previously completed.
# : 5 fighters previously claimed.
* : fighters previously claimed.
^ : half fighter previously claimed.

Fighters claimed : 1 x Me 109, 1 x Me 110 & 4 x FW 190 KIA, 6 x Me 109, 1 x Me 410 & 1 x FW 190 Probable, 2 x FW 190, 3 x Me 410 & 3 x Me 109 Damaged.
Bombing results : 0%.
Injuries : Light wounds for Captain Vetinari, 1st Lieutenant Drumknott and Sergeant Likely. Serious wound for Sergeant Gaspode. Sergeants Vorbis and Mortimer KIA. Frostbite for 1st Lieutenant Johnson.
Peckham Points : 528, Reaper Man is Cat-E.

Debrief

"Lieutenant Oats reporting, sir. Yessir, Drumknott and the skipper are still in the infirmary getting patched up. Sergeant Gaspode is not as bad as we thought, just a nick on the head from a spent shell, but First Lieutenant Johnson contracted frostbite and is with the surgeon now. He's going home, I think. I had extra gloves and socks on, that's why I still have all my fingers and toes.

The crew gave me some joshing about my first mission being my last. Schweinfurt has a bad reputation in the 8th, apparently. The sergeants were nervous too - Reaper Man was on its thirteenth mission. No-one doubted the importance of the mission, though - the colonel made it very clear that this could win the war in '44, if the Germans lost their bearings.

Trouble was, the Germans knew it too, and threw everything they had at us. We took our first attack just off the Norfolk coast, three 109s on our tail. One missed, and Mort damaged the other two with spraying fire. First blood to us. As we approached the Belgian coast, four more 109s came at us from front and rear. We damaged or destroyed all of them, and the 410 lurking behind them, but not before he had knocked out our starboard elevator and holed the number two engine. A rocket attack blew a hole in the side of the ship and Sergeant Vorbis, before he even had chance to shoot.

More krauts gathered near Antwerp, but our fellow fliers saw them off. Over Liege we were attacked by two 190s and a 110. Friendly fighters finally showed up (yes, I forgot to roll for them again) and nailed a 190, while Malich flamed the 110, but the other 190 hit us, fortunately ineffectively. Cohen got him on his second pass. Bombs fell through the formation but failed to hit us. We flew on, close to Cologne, but there was a lull in the attacks, and three 190s that attacked us over Bonn were driven off.

Up to this moment we hadn't suffered too much damage, but from now on everything changed for the worse. As we got into the target area, more bombs dropped through our formation, and one exploded very close to us, daming the starboard wing root, knocking out the number three engine, killing Sergeant Vorbis and wounding Sergeant Likely. We were attacked by three 109s and an 88, which managed to hit the radio room and seriously wound (as we thought at the time) Sergeant Gaspode. During the attack, both waist guns packed up. Malich was able to drive off the next wave of 410s, all attacking from 9 o'clock low, with spraying fire.

The flak barrage wasn't too heavy, but very accurate. On the way in to our bomb run, the radio and landing gear were knocked out, and on the way out, the control cables took a hit. Our bomb drop was way off as a result, and Johnson thinks he didn't hit anything. Yessir, a poor show.

The krauts really poured it on for the turn around - we were hit by three waves. Johnson, Cohen and Malich took out the three 190s in the first wave, and they never touched us. The second wave screwed us, though. Two 190s came in, and Malich destroyed the one off our starboard beam, but didn't see the 110 climbing towards us until it was too late. The surviving 190 and the 110 both hit us, walking their hits the length of the ship, which was beginning to resemble a colander. Poor Mort was spattered all over the tail, we took oxygen supply hits in the top turret and radio room, the rubber rafts were vapourised, the control cables snapped, and we lost the ball turret and top turret guns ! The Jerries had us at their mercy, coming in again on our rear, but unaccountably missed. Maybe they were out of ammo. The third wave consisted of five 190s, and with only a cheek gun left to bear on them, they had a field day. Only two of them could hit us, though, and were mostly ineffective, although the tail oxygen lines were damaged and the bomb release controls totalled. On their second pass, Captain Vetinari and Drumknott got their first wounds, just splinters though.

The skipper ordered some movements to try to get our remaining guns back in action. Cohen moved into the radio room and Malich into the tail, and Likely fixed the starboard waist gun. Before they could man the guns, though, we were hit again. A 190 and a 410 'Smasher' struck us, and the tail guns were wrecked before Malich could get a shot off. We lost the port cheek gun, too. Vetinari and Drumknott were wounded again, and Vetinari's oxygen lines were damaged. Likely's suit heater conked out. Again, the krauts failed to press their advantage in the subsequent attacks. The next wave of five 190s were poor shots. Only one hit us, unfortunately knocking out the nose heat for myself and Johnson. He got frostbitten very shortly afterwards. During this attack, the waist gun jammed again.

Our only remaining guns were the twin chin guns, the starboard cheek .30 cal, and the radio room blister. We were virtually defenceless, our only hope to stay in formation and tough it out. The Germans must have thought we were finished, or perhaps the different return route threw them off, because we didn't see any more of them until we passed Amiens. Three 109s picked us up, but the 355th boys engaged two of them, while Johnson claimed the third as a probable despite his frostbitten fingers.

They were the last krauts we saw, but our troubles weren't over. Reaper Man had carried us home against heavy odds, but we weren't sure if she would stand up to the landing with the landing gear busted up. Accordingly, Captain Vetinari ordered those of us who could, to bail out, and myself, Johnson, Cohen, Malich and Likely complied. First Lieutenant Drumknott stayed aboard to help with the landing, as neither of them wanted to abandon the unconscious Gaspode. As we floated to earth, we watched the skipper pull off an awesome landing, bringing our bird safely to a stand (-5 modifier, rolled boxcars !). The crash teams had been screaming down the runway after them, and swiftly got all three of them out and into ambulances.

It was Reaper Man's thirteenth flight, and its last. The crew chief reckons she's too badly damaged to salvage, and will just be eviscerated for parts. A sad end for the hero that got us home."

Lieutenant Mightily Oats

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Due to a mix up in paperwork 2nd Lt. Calvin Jones is requesting to fly the spare aircraft Uncle Phil this time out with the 152nd.


Read that as I my plane was Cat E last time out and we were asked to roll for our replacement (113). Had a ton of damage from superficial hits and with most of the crew dead or wounded it added up. Plus, a bad landing roll resulted in a crash. I got a B-17F but with the hurricane, winter storm, and trying to find gas and food I never got made it "official".
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Due to a mix up in paperwork 2nd Lt. Calvin Jones is requesting to fly the spare aircraft Uncle Phil this time out with the 152nd.


granted!
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After Action Report (AAR)
Pilot: 1st Lt. V. Giles
Mission: 115 (1)
B-17F: 55 DL 42-3403 "Bottle to Throttle"
Squadron: 151st Rapture Time
Position: Low
Target: Schweinfurt (Ball Bearing Factory)

Crew Assigned:

Bombardier 2nd Lt Donald Miller (1)
Navigator 2nd Lt Arlan Rish (1) *
Pilot 1st Lt Victor Giles (1)
Co-Pilot 2nd Lt Samuel Dawson (1)
Engineer Msgt Henry Parrish (1) *
Radio Operator Sgt Delbert Scott (1) *
Ball Gunner Sgt Elmer Gibbons (1)
Port Waist Gunner Sgt Leonard Anderson (1)
Starboard Waist Gunner Sgt Arch Fuller (1)
Tail Gunner Sgt Waldo Harrison (1)


* one enemy fighter
# five enemy fighters
( ) missions

Claims: Navigator A. Rich (1) ME410, Engineer H. Parrish (1) ME109, Radio Operator D. Scott (1) ME109

Probables: (2)

Damaged: (3)

Crew Injuries/Casualties: Navigator A. Rish (LW), Radio Operator D. Scott (LW)

Bomb Drop: On Target - 20%

B-17's Disposition: #2 Engine out and feathered, Starboard Flap inoperable, Starboard Root hit, Rudder 33% damaged.

Mission Description:

At briefing, we knew we were in for a baptism of fire. The briefing officer announced the target for the day was Schweinfurt, which was supposed to be producing some sort of ball bearings. If we could knock it out, they said we could shorten the war. But hearing the moans and curses from the veteran crews, we knew we be lucky just to see friendly soil again.

At first, we thought maybe all the talk was just that: talk. But we saw action from zone 5 all the way to and back out over the target itself. Fortunately for us, we were tucked into the low squadron and had ships all around us. We saw hundreds of fighters of all types. The boys had been trained stateside in gunnery practice, but not for AERIAL bombing. The Germans flew over the top of us and started dropping single bombs toward the bomber streams. Our engineer had a perfect view and told me where they were. Didn't do much good though, since we were tucked in tighter than the trains to London on leave.

One of the bombs did throw some shrapnel into Del in his radio room. Other damaged included an engine that picked up some flak on the IP, and hole in the rudder and a flap that was shot off.

We did manage to hit the target with about a 20% success rate. But after seeing the amount of bandits today, we'll consider this a 100% successful mission!!

Arlan in the nose got himself a 410 today. Square down it's pipe, the thing caught fire and rolled over like a duck in the fields back home.

Heard a lot about a place called the Dog and Duck. Since the shots of whiskey didn't take off all the rough edges after let down, the boys will head over. Hope there's company tonight after this one...
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