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Subject: "Move two crossings"...difference between original rules and newer rules rss

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Christopher Halbower
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The rules state that
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When moving, a policeman can move
up to a distance of two crossings.


This is consistent in both the original rules and the newer "White Chapel: Letters from Hell" rules.

However...

The picture is completely different!

In the original rules it shows a cop moving two black squares (two crossings).

But in the newere rules it clearly shows a cop moving across two numbered circles!!!

Is this what is considered a crossing? Are the black squares crossings? Or is a crossing the act of moving past a numbered a circle? The implications are huge!



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We played last night with the understanding that the cops could move across two numbered circles...and Jack has his work cut out for him!laugh
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Nice post. I am anxious to know the answer to this as well.
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In that same caption the rules clearly reference "Numbered circles" being different than "crossings".

I'd say movement is still "up to two crossings"
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Matt: the wording between the two rules is identical.
The picture, on the other hand, is different. Why would the picture get update?
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I agree with Matt but I also agree with Christopher too. I can't wait to find out the answer!
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Roger:

I too am anxious to hear the ruling. If the picture is correct, this may remove the need for all the house rules that nerf Jack or beef the police.

The game we played last night was thrilling for the cops. They were able to swarm Jack's possible locations constantly. Jack would have to be sneaky and do some bluffing to slip the dragnet for a turn or two.
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That image is an error, I'm quite certain of it. Play by your original interpretation of the rules. Good spot though.
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An error? Why didn't they just use the original picture? Seems like an odd mistake.

1. They moved the yellow pawn to be farther away.
2. They added an additional white arrow.


I'd love to hear how they could make a mistake like this.
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halbower wrote:
An error? Why didn't they just use the original picture? Seems like an odd mistake.

1. They moved the yellow pawn to be farther away.
2. They added an additional white arrow.


I'd love to hear how they could make a mistake like this.


I signed a confidentiality agreement with the new publisher prior to offering my assistance with the 2nd edition so I can't say a lot. But I can tell you that I'm fairly certain this an error. I'd certainly be disappointed in the process / result if it wasn't.
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I just pulled out the latest rulebook. You can also rely on cannons of interpretation to conclude that photo is an error and not intended as a rule change. The image on page 4 defines what a crossing is in the context of police movement very clearly and consistent with the original rules. That definition must control the usage of the word "crossing" attached to your image- which again makes the photo an error.
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Hmmm, interesting.

I can understand a typographical error. That's easy enough to envision. But this mistake seems strange to me.


I cannot find a .pdf of the original rules. Does anyone have a link to them? I'm at work now so I don't have my game with me. I'm curious if the original rules are identical to the new rules in format, templates, layout, etc.

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halbower wrote:
Hmmm, interesting.

I can understand a typographical error. That's easy enough to envision. But this mistake seems strange to me.


I cannot find a .pdf of the original rules. Does anyone have a link to them? I'm at work now so I don't have my game with me. I'm curious if the original rules are identical to the new rules in format, templates, layout, etc.



Yes the original rules are nearly identical in those regards. This is an odd mistake, I'll grant you that. My guess is it's a mistake made by an overzealous graphic designer who doesn't know the game well and thought he spotted an error and took it upon himself to "correct" it.
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Hmmm, that's a possibility.

I wish I had my original rules on me so I could peruse them. I wonder if any other pictures or words have changed.
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halbower wrote:
Hmmm, that's a possibility.

I wish I had my original rules on me so I could peruse them. I wonder if any other pictures or words have changed.


I'm not sure offhand about any other pictures, but I know for sure there was text change in the form of addition, subtraction, and alteration.
 
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From my experience with a couple of other games, where there has been a discrepancy between text and images, text was correct and the image was wrong. I am baffled too why would they even bother to change the image though. We need to hear from the publisher on this.
 
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Original:



2nd Edition:


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Are we talking second edition as in the newly expected Italian release ?
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Rob:

Thank you for the images. They will be quite helpful in this discussion.

As you can see from the pictures, the picture has been updated but the words are the same.

1. The pawn was moved farther away from its destination in the newer rules.
2. An additional arrow was added to accentuate the pawn's movement capabilities.
3. Both pictures show three white halos. The halos were moved in the new picture to indicate the pawn's (move powerful?) movement.

I hope the designers or publisher can answer these questions.
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It seems the graphic designer just missed the one crossing, which doesn't have a halo around it.
 
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dond80 wrote:
It seems the graphic designer just missed the one crossing, which doesn't have a halo around it.


Upon closer inspection, it seems that the original south westerly arrow has been moved also.

In the original picture, the crossing that has only 99 as an adjacent circle can be seen clearly.

But in the newer picture, that same crossing has been obscured by that same arrow.


It's an odd set of mistakes for a graphic designer to make. The original picture is so crystal clear. The pawn is clearly depicted as moving two spaces (as seen by the halos). Why alter the picture in so many ways?
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Sometimes people feel the need to make changes just to make changes.
 
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In the image I provided, there's also a grammatical mistake in there.

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I vote for - Graphic design mistake / overlooked.

But....

No matter what, there's no way I would change the original 2 'crossings' rule for the investigators.
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Agree with Nick. I Already catch Jack about 80% of the time, I don't want to make it any easier for the investigators!
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