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Jon Geruntho
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I really want to know what makes the game worth $60. I realize Queen Games are always high quality components (based on my copies of Lancaster, Kingdom Builder, etc.), but they are always expensive, unnecessarily so, for what you get. I am interested in the game, but I am a poor gamer and can't see spending $60 when I bought most of my card games in the $20-$30 range (Race for the Galaxy, Dominion, 7 Wonders, Eminent Domain [bad example, the quality of this game, components wise, is a 1 out of 10], but you get the gist).
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jjg101 wrote:
I really want to know what makes the game worth $60. I realize Queen Games are always high quality components (based on my copies of Lancaster, Kingdom Builder, etc.), but they are always expensive, unnecessarily so, for what you get. I am interested in the game, but I am a poor gamer and can't see spending $60 when I bought most of my card games in the $20-$30 range (Race for the Galaxy, Dominion, 7 Wonders, Eminent Domain [bad example, the quality of this game, components wise, is a 1 out of 10], but you get the gist).


A) Dominion and 7 Wonders are $45-50.

B) This does look to have the player boards and a bunch of counters and some cubes.
 
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A) Dominion and 7 Wonders are $45-50.

Quick check on Coolstuffinc says Dominion is available for $25 and 7 Wonders for $32. Maybe that's their Christmas deal though
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shin0509 wrote:
lfisher wrote:
A) Dominion and 7 Wonders are $45-50.

Quick check on Coolstuffinc says Dominion is available for $25 and 7 Wonders for $32. Maybe that's their Christmas deal though


Yeah well if the OP is comparing the Queen MSRP then you have to compare to MSRP of the other ones.

If you want to take a discount price, Queen's Edo is $59.99 and available for 38.99, so you can compare that to 7W for $32.49.
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lfisher wrote:
If you want to take a discount price, Queen's Edo is $59.99 and available for 38.99, so you can compare that to 7W for $32.49.

Edo has a full-size board and a lot of cardboard and wooden components.
 
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7W = 7 wonder boards, 157 cards, 116 tokens
LL = 5 hero boards, 150 cards, 268 tokens, 15 cubes
Edo = double sided board, 22 large wooden bits, 60 small wooden bits, 66 tokens, 37 medium cardboard markers, 12 large cardboard "cards"
KB = 8 boards, 35 cards, 29 tiles, 164 wooden bits, 8 summary tiles
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curtc wrote:
lfisher wrote:
If you want to take a discount price, Queen's Edo is $59.99 and available for 38.99, so you can compare that to 7W for $32.49.

Edo has a full-size board and a lot of cardboard and wooden components.


Curt, I don't think he intended to use Edo as a component comparison, just as a way of gauging what Lost Legends actual retail price would be (for the purpose of comparing to the retail prices of similar games). If Edo's MSRP is listed at $59.99 and it can be purchased retail for $38.99, then it would be reasonable to suppose that Lost Legends will also at some point be available for that price. Now we can use the $38.99 to make a more reasonable price comparison to other games.
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jjg101 wrote:
I really want to know what makes the game worth $60. I realize Queen Games are always high quality components (based on my copies of Lancaster, Kingdom Builder, etc.), but they are always expensive, unnecessarily so, for what you get.

Well on Kickstarter you also get It Happens.. thrown in for free. It's a dice game by Stefan Feld.
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jjg101 wrote:
I really want to know what makes the game worth $60. I realize Queen Games are always high quality components (based on my copies of Lancaster, Kingdom Builder, etc.), but they are always expensive, unnecessarily so, for what you get. I am interested in the game, but I am a poor gamer and can't see spending $60 when I bought most of my card games in the $20-$30 range (Race for the Galaxy, Dominion, 7 Wonders, Eminent Domain [bad example, the quality of this game, components wise, is a 1 out of 10], but you get the gist).
I'm with you. There's a lot of great games out there and not a lot of money. All the comparisons of the costs of other games does nothing to explain why this game is worth the price tag.

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7 Wonders = 7 wonder boards, 157 cards, 116 tokens
Full retail - $50, Online discounter cost - $32

Lost Legends = 5 hero boards, 150 cards, 268 tokens, 15 cubes
Full retail - $60, Online discounter cost - $38

I guess I don't see the problem, other than people mistakenly comparing MSRP to online discounter prices.
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I HATE the facts!
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I pledged once they reached the extra hero stretch goal. I'm assuming that the plastic bits upgrade might make the retail version but the hero and any extra monsters would not. I didn't pledge to make it more likely they'd release it, I'm pretty sure they would have even with a failed campaign.
 
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"and for free!" Meaning non-KS would not receive them for free, but they would be available somehow...
 
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For some games, not all, Kickstarter is a way to get the game into the hands of gamers who will complain about it and help developers improve 2nd editions or expansions.

Those who think I'm cynical, I'll remind you I've said "some, not all."

But the point is, not all "kickstarted" games are adequately playtested, and the gamers who support the effort end up being unpaid developers.

One man's opinion.
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kevinmcgillivray wrote:
I don't get the point of buying this game during the Kickstarter campaign. Queen has invested way too much in the artwork not too release the game so it's not like our KS pledges improve the odds of it coming to market. We get the privilege of paying suggested retail at lease SIX MONTHS before we can even get our hands on the game. In exchange we get the game a couple weeks early, a t-shirt, non-exclusive stretch goals and one of their dice games from 2010. Why not just wait until it shows up on Amazon for $20 less?

I love Queen Games and own a ton of their products but the way they use Kickstarter just doesn't make sense to me.


This sums up for me why I didn't contribute to the Kickstarter campaign back when it was only $55. I will wait until I get a discount, assuming the reviews I've read by then are favorable.

As for the original post, there are two different issues:

1) The MSRP of this game versus the MSRP of other games.
2) Paying MSRP for a preorder instead of waiting for the discounted game.

I'm not clear which one the original post was complaining about.

For 1), it's possibly about $10-$20 higher than comparable games, but it's not completely out of the ballpark. Yes, Queen tends to charge more than other game publishers -- that's their business model. So be it. It's not great, but it's not the end of the world.

For 2), it's personal preference. I'm going to wait for the discount. Others will want it 2 weeks earlier. Both are valid decisions.

However, combining 1) and 2) to compare $60 vs $20-$30 is an unfair comparison.
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