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Lawrence Lopez
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My wife and I finally played our first game of Vinhos last night - it was great! We are looking forward to many future plays (hopefully with more people).

With that said, what are some other fantastic (easily available) economic games - things somewhat like Vinhos. The games must work well with as few as 2-players. We like the produce/advertise/sell aspects of Vinhos - it felt a bit like a simulation. So, simulation-type games would be nice suggestions.
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This is a toughie, because most economic games are designed for 3 or more players. I have never played Chicago Express with 2, but it is supposed to work that way. (Well, actually I have only played Wabash Cannonball, but it is supposed to be the same game.)

Not sure how well Upon A Salty Ocean plays with 2.

Navegador plays with 2, but there is only a little bit of economics in it, compared with Vihnos.

I've heard good things about The Pillars of the Earch: Builders Duel but have never played this one myself.
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We enjoy At the Gates of Loyang with 2p. I wrote a review, so people could get a feel if it was the right fit for them. You buy vegetables, plant them, trade them, and sell them, sometimes to one-time customers and sometimes to long-term customers.

The next time there's a reprint, check out Roads & Boats, as I have a feeling that you might enjoy it.

We play Brass on the full board (though you can block off a corner or print a 2p board if you want the space tighter). We just adjust the cards so they work out better with 2p. I'm usually anti-loans in games, but Brass is the game that made me change my mind. Lots of clever stuff going on.

Navagador looks like a ship exploration game, and to some degree it is, but it's really about the market going up and down, and the prices for items changing as you and your opponent buy things.
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Any of the "Key" games, if you can track them down.
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Jambo...2 player only.


Goa....auction phase really makes you watch your money. And it plays well with 2.
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MisterG wrote:
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Any of the "Key" games, if you can track them down.


My experience with Automobile is that it isn't really worthwhile unless you've got 5. It just doesn't feel competitive enough (in a god way) with less than 5.

What about Power Grid with the Robots?
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If you like Vinhos then definitely check out Grand Cru! I just posted up a video review of it here:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/video/23085/grand-cru/the-varia...

I own both and my wife and I rate Grand Cru higher than Vinhos. Give it a try, you won't be disappointed!



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Glen More is also a nice game. It works well with two and it's a building/economic game. You 'build' your clan/land, produce resources and make whisky and it has an innovative turn sequence and scoring.
 
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It sounds to me like you're looking for games where you create something and then sell it (or otherwise exchange it for points/influence, etc.), rather than looking for a market-based economy game where supply-and-demand come into play. Assuming that's correct, here are a few recommendations:

In Opera, you are producing musical works in a somewhat similar way to producing wine in Vinhos. Might be worth a look.

In Shipyard, you sail what you build rather than selling it, but the basic feel is the same.

Like Vinhos, Cuba lets you produce items and either sell them to the local market or export them (via ship).
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lacreighton wrote:
Not sure how well Upon A Salty Ocean plays with 2.


Sadly, not very well. (And my wife and I are much more relaxed about what's "good with two" than BGG seems to be overall.)

In Upon A Salty Ocean, the game is restricted to two types of goods... salt and one type of fish. This limits the interest of the economy a lot. The rest of the board remains very, very open... so there's little competition for spaces.

Since we are almost always playing either 2P or 5P and Salty only plays 2-4, we're going to give it one more play at 2P and then most likely (disappointedly) trade it. My expectation is that it would be a pretty nice game with 4P... but we almost never have that.
 
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Try Empire Builder or any of its related games. Spend money to build railroad track, move your train to pick up goods here and sell them there. Works with any number from two to six. These are not terribly competitive games; my wife and I enjoy them as a pleasant way to spend an afternoon or evening when we don't feel like playing something cutthroat.

A better series with a similar theme and idea is Railways of the World, which also works for two to six players. The huge Eastern U.S. map that comes with the game is not really suitable for two, but the smaller Mexico map that's also included should be fine for two (and more, when you have more players). This is a much more competitive game than Empire Builder. It's been a favorite of mine since long before (disclaimer here!) I became involved in designing expansions for it.
 
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Somebody recommended Genoa for 2 in a different thread. I keep meaning to try that game ...
 
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Container and Brass.
 
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reddish22 wrote:
Container and Brass.


Container isn't good with 2. There is a 2 person version for BGG for Brass here on BGG, and I've heard nice things about it. I wouldn't expect the standard game to be good with 2.
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Whoops I missed the 2 player only aspect. Container is still my favorite economic game.
 
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But yeah, Brass is great even with 2
 
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Although not widely recognized, Jet Set is one of my own highest rated games. The map will remind you of TtR:Europe, and you do complete routes to collect points, but you must constantly manage the income from existing routes in order to purchase more of them (for game points). I find pleasure in performing that task.

 
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