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Just published the episode...

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Welcome to episode IX of Guns, Dice, Butter

0:01 Guns, Dice, Butter Intro

0:11 Conversation with Richard Berg: Entry into world of gaming

0:34 Berg: CNA, Kingmaker, Geronimo

0:59 Berg: Blackbeard, Gamer types, Game development, Schilling, War is Hell

1:20 Berg: Games as stories, Berg Pipeline, Evocation

1:37 Berg: Rome, wrap up

1:46 Guns, Dice, Butter wrap up

Additionally, will upload a couple of files on Berg's IMPRESSIVE volume of work.

Available on iTunes, or www.gunsdicebutter.com and elsewhere.
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Looks like I know what I'll be listening to during work. :P
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Love the CNA & Blackbeard stories.

Getting psychographics on gamer types would be interesting.
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A few files on the Berg's list of published games:

http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX?14@@.1dd6d36f/184
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Such great stories, wargame or otherwise. Thanks again for putting GDB together.

One note of Episode IX errata for the lit nerds: The Universal Baseball Association, Inc., J. Henry Waugh, Prop. was written by Robert Coover. Shoeless Joe, which was adapted into Field of Dreams, was written by W.P. Kinsella. The former is as good as baseball books get.

Obligatory boardgame content: Kinsella is a tournament Scrabble player.
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AlbertaClipper wrote:
a tournament Scrabble player.


Those guys are AMAAAAZING!!

Some years ago I read, "Word Freak" by Stefan Fatsis and was blown away by it. Doesn`t matter what niche/tribe of gaming you`re in or belong to, you owe it to yourself to read that book. They are GAMERS; par excellence!!

AFTER (repeat AFTER) you`ve read the book watch the (highly entertaining) documentary it spawned, "Word Wars".



I gaurantee you`ll never look at Scrabble the same way again.

I just wish someone would write a similiar book about the Wargamer-verse.
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Found it....



The book is LOADS better!!
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High level scrabble play exemplifies just about everything I
dislike about competitive games. It's not about the words at
all - but memorizing small combos, and dominating the board
locations.
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calandale wrote:
High level scrabble play exemplifies just about everything I
dislike about competitive games. It's not about the words at
all - but memorizing small combos, and dominating the board
locations.


This is why I hate scrabble. I'd rather play other area control games.

Awesome episode. Loved the Blackbeard story, have that game but never got it to the table. Anyone know how it solos?

Looking forward to the round table episode teased for next time.

I need more info on that berg Herman civil war monster stat. Will the victory games classic finally have a proper monster successor?
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calandale wrote:
High level scrabble play exemplifies just about everything I dislike about competitive games. It's not about the words at all - but memorizing small combos, and dominating the board
locations.


True. I would never, ever want to play a game (of any kind) with any of those win-at-all-costs guys. For me relaxed sociability is what makes a good game a fun time.

However, from my stand-off position, I do admire the dedication, the self-sacrifice and the drive these people have - however misplaced. Like most people I recognise there is a tipping-point where it ceases to be a sane activity. For an outsider looking in though, it`s a morbidly fascinating world.

Imagine what a combo-driven, board-dominator you might have turned into in the "Go" fraternity, Enrico, if reality hadn`t tapped you on the shoulder and whispered, "Wait a minute...".
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Awesome episode. Loved the Blackbeard story, have that game but never got it to the table. Anyone know how it solos?




It's essentially multi-player solitaire anyhow. Very very random.
Personally, I find these types of games are far better in group play.
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Nigel66 wrote:

Imagine what a combo-driven, board-dominator you might have turned into in the "Go" fraternity, Enrico, if reality hadn`t tapped you on the shoulder and whispered, "Wait a minute...".


I don't have the drive. That simple. If I did, I wouldn't be gaming.
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calandale wrote:
Nigel66 wrote:

Imagine what a combo-driven, board-dominator you might have turned into in the "Go" fraternity, Enrico, if reality hadn`t tapped you on the shoulder and whispered, "Wait a minute...".


I don't have the drive. That simple. If I did, I wouldn't be gaming.


Yep, me too. Hence my fascination (as I continue to drift).
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Nigel66 wrote:
calandale wrote:
Nigel66 wrote:

Imagine what a combo-driven, board-dominator you might have turned into in the "Go" fraternity, Enrico, if reality hadn`t tapped you on the shoulder and whispered, "Wait a minute...".


I don't have the drive. That simple. If I did, I wouldn't be gaming.


Yep, me too. Hence my fascination (as I continue to drift).


I always wonder about those who do reach such high levels in gaming.
Or business - think Bill Gates (who claimed that if he couldn't be
what he is, he'd want to be a world champion Go/Chess player).

I just don't get the drive. I can understand wanting to rule.
I can understand wanting to push the boundaries of knowledge.
I can see needing to express something so badly to create art.

But I can't get how one could want to focus so damned hard on
something that seems pedestrian in comparison.
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Nigel66 wrote:
Doesn`t matter what niche/tribe of gaming you`re in or belong to, you owe it to yourself to read that book. They are GAMERS; par excellence!!

One must admire obsession, no matter where it manifests itself.
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Nothing is better than Berg.
Once again another supreme episode.
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rgordon44 wrote:
Nothing is better than Berg.

Ask the people on the Titanic!
 
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rgordon44 wrote:
Nothing is better than Berg.


yukI prefer acid indigestion.

 
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Thanks for another enjoyable episode!

By the way, Richard mentions that The Campaign for North Africa sold for $35 to $40 when it was new. This is an over-estimate. I sold my copy not too long ago, and I found the receipt in the box---for $22.

I estimated that if I had taken the $22 and invested it in the stock market the year I bought the game, I would have wound up with almost exactly the amount I sold the game for.

(Unfortunately, there were many other games with much lower returns. But there were some I had a tremendous amount of fun with.)
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Favorite episode yet! Berg was awesome! What a character!
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