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About the nobility tile "Get 3 PP per set of 2 family members on the region tracks"

If I have 3 FM on one region and 3 FM on another region do I get 9 PP for 6 FM on region tracks (6FM/2=3sets so-> 3sets*3PP/set=9PP)
or will I get 6 PP for having 1 full set in each region? (3FM/2=1set per different region so-> 2sets*3PP/set=6PP)

Isn't this nobility tile broken compared with the tile "get a number of PP equal to the number of players for each pair of own adjacent Family members on the tracks"? which is very difficult to accomplish?
 
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xodroolis wrote:
About the nobility tile "Get 3 PP per set of 2 family members on the region tracks"

If I have 3 FM on one region and 3 FM on another region do I get 9 PP for 6 FM on region tracks (6FM/2=3sets so-> 3sets*3PP/set=9PP)
or will I get 6 PP for having 1 full set in each region? (3FM/2=1set per different region so-> 2sets*3PP/set=6PP)

Isn't this nobility tile broken compared with the tile "get a number of PP equal to the number of players for each pair of own adjacent Family members on the tracks"? which is very difficult to accomplish?

I don't have the game in front of me, but I am pretty sure it means "3pp for every 2 FM in the regions."

I do not believe this is broken. If anything, I think the other tile you mentioned (Npp for every pair of adjacent FM in regions) may be weak or generally avoided, for the reason you mention.

However, it's possible that one is just subtle, like the Gate space in Cayus, and could be very lucrative if tricky to use. For example, if you manage 3 FM in a row, that's 2 sets of adjacent FMs, and even in a 2p game (where that's probably much easier to do) that's 4vp for 3 dudes (vs 3vp for 2 dudes). In a higher player count game that could be pretty strong.
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One applies to the "Region tracks" and one applies to "the tracks" (which presumably includes the Nobility and City Council tracks). So the latter is harder to accomplish in one sense (adjacent) but permits more flexibility.
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chally wrote:
One applies to the "Region tracks" and one applies to "the tracks" (which presumably includes the Nobility and City Council tracks). So the latter is harder to accomplish in one sense (adjacent) but permits more flexibility.

Oh yeah, that too!
 
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xodroolis wrote:
About the nobility tile "Get 3 PP per set of 2 family members on the region tracks"

If I have 3 FM on one region and 3 FM on another region do I get 9 PP for 6 FM on region tracks (6FM/2=3sets so-> 3sets*3PP/set=9PP)
or will I get 6 PP for having 1 full set in each region? (3FM/2=1set per different region so-> 2sets*3PP/set=6PP)

Isn't this nobility tile broken compared with the tile "get a number of PP equal to the number of players for each pair of own adjacent Family members on the tracks"? which is very difficult to accomplish?

It's definitely not broken.
First: If you manage to get 6 family members on two tracks, it's quite probable that you have 2 pairs with 8 points. That's not such a big difference.
Second: Noone says that every tile is worth exactly the same. There must be some tiles for which is nice to enter this track early.

And if you enter the track at the end of the game after you played a "Florence strategy", you might already have 2 pairs on the Florence tracks but only 2 or 3 family members in the regions. In this case of course the tile with the adjacent figures is better!

So what Ben wrote is exactly the point ...
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OK for the "broken" issue.

Any answer to my first question?

9 or 6 pp?
 
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We did have another problem during our first play.

Someone succeeded to have 4 adjacent FM on the Nobility track. He also collected the Nobility tile "Get a number of PP equal to the number of players for each pair of own adjacent Family members on the tracks.

The question, does this player gain 2x 3(players) = 6 points, or 3x 3(players) = 9 points.

xx xx and x xx x

or just xx xx
 
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Magritte wrote:
We did have another problem during our first play.

Someone succeeded to have 4 adjacent FM on the Nobility track. He also collected the Nobility tile "Get a number of PP equal to the number of players for each pair of own adjacent Family members on the tracks.

The question, does this player gain 2x 3(players) = 6 points, or 3x 3(players) = 9 points.

xx xx and x xx x

or just xx xx

I believe it would be 9 points... xx xx and x xx x
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Magritte wrote:
We did have another problem during our first play.

Someone succeeded to have 4 adjacent FM on the Nobility track. He also collected the Nobility tile "Get a number of PP equal to the number of players for each pair of own adjacent Family members on the tracks.

The question, does this player gain 2x 3(players) = 6 points, or 3x 3(players) = 9 points.

xx xx and x xx x

or just xx xx


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Posting to this thread instead of starting a new one. The tile that says gain 3 PP for set of 2 family members on Region tracks. What are Region tracks. It's confusing to me because other tiles use the term "outside Regions" making me think that Florence is also a region. But it also seems to use the province symbol in the iconography.
 
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she2 wrote:
Posting to this thread instead of starting a new one. The tile that says gain 3 PP for set of 2 family members on Region tracks. What are Region tracks. It's confusing to me because other tiles use the term "outside Regions" making me think that Florence is also a region. But it also seems to use the province symbol in the iconography.


"Regions" exclusively refer to the three exterior tracks. The other two areas are the Florence tracks. The phrase "outside Regions" is redundant.
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chally wrote:
she2 wrote:
Posting to this thread instead of starting a new one. The tile that says gain 3 PP for set of 2 family members on Region tracks. What are Region tracks. It's confusing to me because other tiles use the term "outside Regions" making me think that Florence is also a region. But it also seems to use the province symbol in the iconography.


"Regions" exclusively refer to the three exterior tracks. The other two areas are the Florence tracks. The phrase "outside Regions" is redundant.


Gotcha. That's how we interpeted in the end.
 
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